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re: the onside kick
Posted on 9/7/10 at 1:52 pm to whiteyc777
Posted on 9/7/10 at 1:52 pm to whiteyc777
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Nothing illegal at all with what UNC did on that onside kick.
1 post above your previous, check it out
This post was edited on 9/7/10 at 1:53 pm
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Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:04 pm to bmy
Reader comprehension & interpretation is not very high even when presented with the rules, they do not understand you cannot hit the receiving team before the 10 yard line. The receiving team can go forward into that zone without fear of being hit. That is why they go forward, so they can safely receive the ball. If they stay back behind the 10 yard line there is no advantage.
This post was edited on 9/7/10 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:07 pm to mgmer
quote:
"No Team A (kicking team) player may touch a free-kicked ball until after:
1. It touches a Team B player
2. It breaks the plane of and remains beyond Team B’s restraining line (goes 10 yards); or
3. It touches any player, the ground, an official or anything beyond Team B’s restraining line.
1. Did the ball touch LSU player prior to getting leveled? No
2. Did it break the plane? No
3. Did it go past the restraining line? No.
So how did the ball end up UNC's again. Sorry I'm not comprehending this very well
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:13 pm to CPT 8ch
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CPT 8ch
Please don't ref any LSU games. What part of the head of SEC officiating explaining the call was wrong do you not understand.
"I talked to the head of officials in the SEC, Rogers Redding, and he said frankly you cannot block anyone in advance of the ball. Anybody that would contact somebody in advance of the ball has created a foul. It's irrespective of the 40-yard line. In other words, if (Alfred) Blue steps across the 40-yard line to make the reception on the kick, then he is protected because you still cannot block in advance of the ball, and you still cannot contact a guy until the ball has gone 10 yards, so we are in a position where we should be able to field the ball certainly until we get possession without interference. In review, the officials are given a responsibility not to apparently create flags and throw flags from a reviewed look, and I think that was really the position that was taken. They reviewed it, and they really could not overturn the call on the field."
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:15 pm to RPC4LSU
basically the issue wasn't with the review, it was with a no-call. just another ref frickup for an LSU game 
at least we get our fair share that go our way
at least we get our fair share that go our way
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:17 pm to Golfer
I think the rule is that if the ball doesnt go 10 yards but touched by the receiving team it is live. But the UNC player clearly made contact before the ball reached the LSU player. Shoulda been a call there. Still not sure how UNC got the ball
This post was edited on 9/7/10 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:17 pm to lsutigers225
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I dont think it matters that he was hit because the LSU player crossed the 10 yard mark and touched the ball before it went 10 yards. If the ball doesnt go 10 yards and is untouched then it is a flag, not if the player on the receiving team touches it before it goes 10 yards.
he didn't touch it before he was slammed into though. that's why it was a bad no-call.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:17 pm to lsutigers225
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This post was edited on 9/7/10 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:18 pm to MastrShake
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im sorry, did I say "two refs"? i meant to say "FOUR".
FIFY
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:20 pm to TigerWilson88
quote:Nothing wrong with your comprehension, unless you cannot understand why so many cannot comprehend. Do you comprehend? If so I totally agree. I can't comprehend why they can't comprehend!!
Sorry I'm not comprehending this very well
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:20 pm to bmy
quote:
he didn't touch it before he was slammed into though. that's why it was a bad no-call.
Just went and looked at the replay more and total agree. Changed my previous post. All of the infractions on the play were against UNC, but none were called.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:20 pm to lsutigers225
quote:
Just went and looked at the replay more and total agree. Changed my previous post. All of the infractions on the play were against UNC, but none were called.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:21 pm to CPT 8ch
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Rule 6-1-2-g states: No Team A player may block an opponent until Team A is eligible to touch a free-kicked ball.
Doesn't this one say it all. UNC could not block an LSU player until the ball has traveled 10 yards allowing UNC to then recover the kick. If Blue had touched it first, then it is a live ball but UNC is not eligible to recover the ball until it has been a) touched by LSU or b) goes 10 yards.
This post was edited on 9/7/10 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:24 pm to JaxTigah
I know in HS that a returner cannot be blocked into the ball.. if that happens team receives an awarded fair catch, basically a free play at, the end of the live ball play
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:29 pm to CPT 8ch
im seriously not trying to pointlessly argue with you here CPT, but...
in other words, a defender becomes eligible to block and touch the ball at the same time.
so if a defender could block the instant the ball hit the ground, as you said earlier, than he could receive the ball the instant it hit the ground, which would mean all a kicking team had to do is tap the ball off the tee and jump on it. thats obviously not the case.
quote:
No Team A player may block an opponent until Team A is eligible to touch a free-kicked ball.
in other words, a defender becomes eligible to block and touch the ball at the same time.
so if a defender could block the instant the ball hit the ground, as you said earlier, than he could receive the ball the instant it hit the ground, which would mean all a kicking team had to do is tap the ball off the tee and jump on it. thats obviously not the case.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:32 pm to CPT 8ch
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The big mistake the LSU player made was to move into the neutral zone.
thank you, I think i got it now. Making this point clarifies the apllication of the rule
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:33 pm to CPT 8ch
This is exactly why officials suck in college football. Someone needs to test you guys on reading comprehension....evidently, you have none. Your "interpretation" of the rulebook is totally wrong and to make it worse, you are on a message board trying to perpetuate your stupidity.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:34 pm to MastrShake
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a. This protection terminates when the kick touches the ground, when any player
of Team B muffs a scrimmage kick beyond the neutral zone, or when any
player of Team B muffs a free kick in the field of play or in the end zone (Rule
6-5-1-a) (A.R. 6-4-1-IV).
Point #1: It was okay for the North Carolina player to crash into the LSU player because the protection rule had terminated since the ball hit the ground.
quote:
No Team A (kicking team) player may touch a free-kicked ball until after:
1. It touches a Team B player
2. It breaks the plane of and remains beyond Team B’s restraining line (goes 10 yards); or
3. It touches any player, the ground, an official or anything beyond Team B’s restraining line
Point #2: The ball was first touched by an LSU player, thereby satisfying clause #1 of this rule.
What else is there to understand?
-YTC
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:39 pm to whiteyc777
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Point #1: It was okay for the North Carolina player to crash into the LSU player because the protection rule had terminated since the ball hit the ground.
thats not what the rule says. (see above)
quote:
Point #2: The ball was first touched by an LSU player, thereby satisfying clause #1 of this rule.
seriously?
(edit: my mistake. i thought you were saying it hit an LSU player before he was tackled. but it doesn't matter anyway because a defensive player isn't eligible to tackle until hes eligible to receive, and hes not eligible to receive until the ball either goes 10 yards or hits an LSU player, neither of which happened.)
This post was edited on 9/7/10 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 9/7/10 at 2:49 pm to whiteyc777
What part of this do you not understand?
No Team A player may block an opponent until Team A is eligible to touch a free-kicked ball.
UNC can not block an LSU player until they are eligible to touch the ball. UNC is not eligible to touch the ball until the ball has traveled 10 yards or touched an LSU player. It really is that simple.
If you don't take my word for it, talk to Rogers Redding. That is evidently his interpretation also.
No Team A player may block an opponent until Team A is eligible to touch a free-kicked ball.
UNC can not block an LSU player until they are eligible to touch the ball. UNC is not eligible to touch the ball until the ball has traveled 10 yards or touched an LSU player. It really is that simple.
If you don't take my word for it, talk to Rogers Redding. That is evidently his interpretation also.
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