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Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:12 pm to SaveFarris
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It’s the fools who say Ensminger had nothing to do with it.
It’s the fools that down play Brady’s impact / scheme and give 99% of the success to SE
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:12 pm to FreddieMac
I'm not derailing this thread into a 2011 QB thread, my point was that Burrow's stats in 2018 were the definition of average in the SEC and NCAA.
Yes, he progressed obviously on his own accord from 2018-2019, but Brady played a huge hand in unlocking Burrow's full powers.
Yes, he progressed obviously on his own accord from 2018-2019, but Brady played a huge hand in unlocking Burrow's full powers.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:14 pm to Broski
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LSU 2018
Pass yds per game: 228.5 (7th in SEC, 68th in NCAA)
Total Pass TD: 17 (11th in SEC, 88th in NCAA)
Points per game: 32.4 (7th in SEC, 38th in NCAA)
LSU 2019
Pass yds per game: 401.6 (1st in SEC, 2nd in NCAA)
Total Pass TD: 61 (1st in NCAA)
Points per game: 48.4 (1st in NCAA)
It should be noted that Joe Burrow, CEH, Ja'Marr Chase and Justin Jefferson were on both of these teams with Ensminger as the OC. And yes, while players obviously improve from year to year, I think it's safe to assume the huge discrepancy in stats from 2018-2019 is based more on just improvement.
Hell just go back and watch the offensive sets we're running in 2018 and 2020 and compare that to what we were doing in 2019. No matter how many people want to shortchange Brady because he's likely not coming back here as OC, it's ridiculous to say that he didn't have a hugely positive impact on our offense.
He would be a welcome addition as an OC if we can somehow get him back.
I agree with this post.
However, I think the difference is not only told in relation to Brady (good)...but in relation to Ensminger (bad). Ensminger didn't know how to implement and take advantage of the spread. His instincts instead were to add players to the LOS to protect the QB vs. spreading the defense out to threaten the defense.
Still, it's absurd at how many people are anti-Brady.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:19 pm to Broski
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I'm not derailing this thread into a 2011 QB thread, my point was that Burrow's stats in 2018 were the definition of average in the SEC and NCAA.
Yes, he progressed obviously on his own accord from 2018-2019, but Brady played a huge hand in unlocking Burrow's full powers.
I am not denying that Brady had a huge affect but it was not on Burrow. It was on Chase, Mashall and Jefferson.
Again, Brady coming into LSU 2019 is no were the same as Brady coming into LSU 2021.
What is Brady's experience leads people to believe he can develop a true sophomore QB?
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:20 pm to FreddieMac
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I am not denying that Brady had a huge affect but it was not on Burrow. It was on Chase, Mashall and Jefferson.
Again, Brady coming into LSU 2019 is no were the same as Brady coming into LSU 2021.
What is Brady's experience leads people to believe he can develop a true sophomore QB?
The fact that he developed true sophomore WR's.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:22 pm to FreddieMac
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You lost me right there
Cool.
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in 2018 he was the best QB we had since Matt Flynn
One, you’ve been proven wrong. Two, what does this even mean at a school known for horrible qb play.
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started showing flashes of what 2019 would be.
So, you are saying well under 60% completion percentage and 16 td’s were flashes of tripling his td’s, doubling his passing yards, raising his completion percentage by 20 points, and leading one of the greatest offense ever seen?
You should be a scout or something cause going into 2019 season he was seen as maybe a late round pick by everyone who scouts these guys for a living. But you saw it coming.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:28 pm to FreddieMac
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What is Brady's experience leads people to believe he can develop a true sophomore QB?
Still with this.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:34 pm to Broski
quote:Jarrett Lee's 2011 stats:
Jefferson and Lee were both shite QB's.
104-167
62.3%
1306 yards
7.8 yards/attempt
14 TD
3 INT
152.0 Rating (highest in the SEC)
Jarrett Lee had a VERY GOOD 2011 season. But all people want to remember is the Bama game.
This post was edited on 12/8/21 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:46 pm to Broski
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Yes, he progressed obviously on his own accord from 2018-2019, but Brady played a huge hand in unlocking Burrow's full powers.
He progressed on his own, but anyone thinking that Brady didn’t have a significant impact on him going from last draft pick or UDFA to #1 pick is a damn fool
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:49 pm to Broski
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It should be noted that Joe Burrow, CEH, Ja'Marr Chase and Justin Jefferson were on both of these teams with Ensminger as the OC. And yes, while players obviously improve from year to year, I think it's safe to assume the huge discrepancy in stats from 2018-2019 is based more on just improvement.
It should be noted that Burrow was a first year starter at a school not known for offense. It should also be noted that Chase was a true Freshman and Justin Jefferson was a sophomore. It should also be noted that Giles was your #1 WR in 2018. It should also be noted that Brossette, a senior and less talented RB (to CEH) was your #1 RB in 2018.
It should also be noted that 2019 had all Juniors and Seniors on the OLine. And they got one of their most talented linemen back in Ingram. And he had to take on a reserve role due to how talented they were.
It should also be noted that the last 3 games in 2018 showed Burrow's potential. Was Brady around for that ~400 yards passing/4 TD game in the bowl game? I actually remember a writer from like SI putting out an article about how Burrow could be a sleeper Heisman candidate in 2019.
Brady deserves all the credit in the world, but to dismiss Ensminger is absurd. No chance it was all a perfect storm and what Brady brought as an assistant was perfection to what Ensminger had in mind? And that isn't to say he wouldn't be awesome here. I actually would be excited. I think Brady has a tremendous confidence about him that relates well to college players. It is why I was disappointed that he preferred the NFL.
Here is a long write up about Ensminger/Brady if you ever care to objectively read.
LINK
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:52 pm to beauchristopher
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Here is a long write up about Ensminger/Brady if you ever care to objectively read.
What a simp
Posted on 12/8/21 at 4:01 pm to bstew3006
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He progressed on his own, but anyone thinking that Brady didn’t have a significant impact on him going from last draft pick or UDFA to #1 pick is a damn fool
Burrow and his own father give all the credit to Ensminger for coaching him up. His father has stated how Ensminger does not get the credit he deserves. I believe it's possible it was a combination of the two working together. I also believe Brady is sharp and could be successful at the college level again.
However, you don't believe they all deserve credit for 2019? The team, E, and Brady? It feels like Brady is getting all the credit for the offense that season. That was an absolutely loaded team. And to say 2018 was the same team is silly when Giles was your #1 wr and Brossette was your #1 rb. And your QB was a first year starter. That's just not nearly the same type of team. Even if you had some of the same players. While talented they were all inexperienced. You even got a healthy Moss back in 2019. It's as if everything lined up beautifully.
Brady did a ton of work with the receivers. Summer of 1,000 catches, etc. Seems nice to have that kind of detail and dedication from an assistant coach. I regret so much Rhule went to Carolina. Pretty much cost of Brady and Aranda. Of course both would have been gone sooner than later, but it would have been nice to see Brady in 2020.
Again, I think Brady is a fantastic coach and would be excited to have him.
This post was edited on 12/8/21 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 12/8/21 at 4:05 pm to beauchristopher
That article is no better than the OP
It’s Lonn’s fricking opinions
Burrow and the rest of them aren’t coming back. Should we just give up on trying to be the best offense in the country?
It’s Lonn’s fricking opinions
Burrow and the rest of them aren’t coming back. Should we just give up on trying to be the best offense in the country?
This post was edited on 12/8/21 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 12/8/21 at 4:11 pm to Broski
Why do people forget how fricking good Marshall was? If he doesn't get hurt, Chase doesn't sniff the belitnikoff
Posted on 12/8/21 at 4:20 pm to Broski
We also moved Joe Burrow out from under center.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 4:23 pm to atltiger6487
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Jarrett Lee's 2011 stats:
104-167
62.3%
1306 yards
7.8 yards/attempt
14 TD
3 INT
152.0 Rating (highest in the SEC)
Jarrett Lee had a VERY GOOD 2011 season. But all people want to remember is the Bama game.
Everything is relative.
Jarrett Lee was a game manager in 2011 which, for him, was a vast improvement.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 4:34 pm to beauchristopher
All you have to do is go look at the players, including and mostly Burrows, comments about the offense changing entirely when Brady arrived. We also have live footage from the playoffs that showed how the plays were called and relayed so to say that Brady was a side piece and that Ensminger was the architect and operator is totally and provably false. Ensminger was a buffer and watchdog for Orgeron who only trusts his inner circle and didn’t wanna give Brady autonomy without Ensminger right there to impress what Orgeron wanted in case.
This post was edited on 12/8/21 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 12/8/21 at 4:36 pm to beauchristopher
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However, you don't believe they all deserve credit for 2019? The team, E, and Brady? I
At no point did I state that they all didn’t deserve credit.
It’s damn morons diminishing either Brady or SE.
Do I think Brady is the Sole reason for 2019? No
But he was a huge Fkn factor in the offensive scheme, play calling and elevating the play of JB and all the WRs. Saying that doesnt knock SE. hell, SE is the reason Brady came to LSU…he said he was the solution to fixing the offensive scheme. He admitted he couldn’t get it done. It took both of them
Why is it all or nothing with some of you?
This post was edited on 12/8/21 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 12/8/21 at 4:51 pm to Broski
Did no one watch his time with the Panthers or was everyone too busy watching the Aints lose to Tom Brady to notice how boring and predictable his offense was at Carolina? And when you look back at 2019 and what he helped install, there's no eye candy, no trickery or disguises in his play calling. It was simple but modern. It was needed to bring LSU to the 21st century of high flying offenses instead of ground and pound.
LSU won 2019 due to talent rather than scheme. All Joe Brady did was modernize the offense. That's why he got fired, for not adapting his playcalling to the ever changing NFL schemes.
LSU won 2019 due to talent rather than scheme. All Joe Brady did was modernize the offense. That's why he got fired, for not adapting his playcalling to the ever changing NFL schemes.
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