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re: The Joe Brady "Smoke and Mirrors" narrative on this board
Posted on 12/8/21 at 2:38 pm to Broski
Posted on 12/8/21 at 2:38 pm to Broski
Cam Newton may have been the issue with Brady's firing from Carolina.
Newton can not run the full Brady offensive package.
Brady may not have been flexible enough to incorporate the now limited skillset of Newton into the offense.
Newton, Rhule, and Brady had a dust up and Brady lost.
The Brady narrative on this board is contrived and meant to inflate other coaches legacies.
Aranda and Brady were never appreciated.
It is exactly like O intended it.
Newton can not run the full Brady offensive package.
Brady may not have been flexible enough to incorporate the now limited skillset of Newton into the offense.
Newton, Rhule, and Brady had a dust up and Brady lost.
The Brady narrative on this board is contrived and meant to inflate other coaches legacies.
Aranda and Brady were never appreciated.
It is exactly like O intended it.
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Posted on 12/8/21 at 2:39 pm to Broski
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Hell just go back and watch the offensive sets we're running in 2018 and 2020 and compare that to what we were doing in 201
They were running the same exact plays.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 2:43 pm to landrywasbeast30
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Rumor the main NFL guy on The Ringer heard from people is that Brady was let go cause they didn’t like he was listening to offers for other jobs or some shite. I think Rhule used him as a scapegoat.
He was listening to other jobs cause he was going to get fired at the end of the year.
The nfl is much harder than college.
I think the experience of calling plays for almost 2 years in the nfl will make him that much better in the college game.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 2:47 pm to Broski
Brady has 2 years of scheming against NFL DCs. He is more prepared now than he was when he was here.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 2:48 pm to FreddieMac
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Simply he failed at Carolina
Every offensive mind would fail at Carolina with a hurt McCaffery.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 2:50 pm to Broski
Nobody is arguing that we should have left E to himself.
The argument is that another guy could have replicated what Brady did.
If we had hired, say, Jeff Lebby, would there have been any sort of noticeable difference? Unlikely.
The argument is that another guy could have replicated what Brady did.
If we had hired, say, Jeff Lebby, would there have been any sort of noticeable difference? Unlikely.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 2:50 pm to Chalkywhite84
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They were running the same exact plays.
LOL no they were not.
Route trees were similar in some instances but not that many, but 2018, Burrow lined up under center more than in the gun. Whereas in 2019, we were exclusively a shotgun team.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 2:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If we had hired, say, Jeff Lebby, would there have been any sort of noticeable difference? Unlikely.
You say this like Jeff Lebby and Joe Brady are just nameless run of the mill OC's, when you could argue they are responsible for some of the most dynamic offenses from 2019-present.
So yes, Lebby would likely produce similar results as Brady in 2019. But would Billy Gonzalez have done that?
Posted on 12/8/21 at 2:52 pm to athletemed
quote:correct.
2019 Joe Burrow was worlds better than 2018 Joe Burrow.
Because Burrow was allowed to fully flourish in Brady's offense.
Burrow's talent was there in 2018. But it was held back in Ensminger's offensive scheme.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 2:53 pm to landrywasbeast30
Matt M has been saying it and people are repeating it.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 2:54 pm to landrywasbeast30
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Burrow had one year of mediocre starting play under him.
You lost me right there. Burrow was not mediocre, in 2018 he was the best QB we had since Matt Flynn. Burrow 2018 improved every game and started showing flashes of what 2019 would be.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 2:59 pm to FreddieMac
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in 2018 he was the best QB we had since Matt Flynn
False.
Burrow 2018
Pass yds: 2,894
Pass TD: 16
Int: 5
QBR: 133.2
Mettenberger 2013
Pass yds: 3,082
Pass TD: 22
Int: 8
QBR: 171.4
Hell, even in 2009, Jordan Jefferson had a better QB Rating than Burrow in 2018 at 137.2. Danny Etling two years as the starter was a better QB rating than Burrow, specifically in 2017 when he threw as many TD's as Joe in 2018, but had 5 less INTs.
Joe was pretty bang average as a QB in 2018, it's just that we still had Anthony Jennings and Brandon Harris fresh in our minds, so everything that Etling and Burrow did from 2016-18 looked amazing.
This post was edited on 12/8/21 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:04 pm to Broski
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Mettenberger led LSU to a 9–3 regular season record
Burrow was 10-3 in 2018, so basically no difference between their output.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:04 pm to Broski
I don’t know anyone who’s saying Brady didn’t have a hand in 2019’s success. It’s the fools who say Ensminger had nothing to do with it.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:04 pm to FreddieMac
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Burrow was 10-3 in 2018, so basically no difference between their output.
So 2011 Jefferson/Lee is better than 2018 Burrow is what you're saying?
Don't be dumb.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:05 pm to SaveFarris
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It’s the fools who say Ensminger had nothing to do with it.
He had a hand in it in the sense that he was pretty hands off when it came to Brady changing the offense.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:07 pm to Broski
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So 2011 Jefferson/Lee is better than 2018 Burrow is what you're saying?
Don't be dumb.
No. Seriously, Lee 2011 maybe, but Jefferson 2011, not even close. Jefferson was in the wrong position his entire career. I just remember how many drops Burrow 2018 had to contend with over a season.
This post was edited on 12/8/21 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:07 pm to FreddieMac
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Lee 2011 maybe
Oh good god.
Jefferson and Lee were both shite QB's.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:10 pm to Broski
Beating A&M > Beating Tampa Bay and Brady
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:10 pm to Broski
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Jefferson and Lee were both shite QB's
Lee 2011 was doing really well until the Bama game. He had a shaky start, but there was some seriously late hits on him. Les RUINED Jarrett Lee for all time.
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