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re: The gap between us and alabama
Posted on 10/1/20 at 8:31 am to biglego
Posted on 10/1/20 at 8:31 am to biglego
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No matter how good our recruiting classes are, Bama's is always a little better.
We rebuild with young players who have growing pains while Bama simply plugs in the next man up and the team still functions the same.
Our DBs look tiny while Bama’s look like small fast LBs.
Until Saban dies, since he’ll never retire, LSU will be chasing Bama. We will sometimes beat Bama and sometimes contend for a NC but only Clemson matches Bama’s consistency.
You'll get a lot of downvotes for saying this, but it is dead-on! As long as Saban is there, we will never consistently be on their level.
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Posted on 10/1/20 at 8:36 am to LSUbase13
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I’d put Ohio State in there as well.
i wouldnt
2014 title was nice but since then they have choked/squandered talent annually
clemson may also have the benefit of an easier regular season schedule but at least they make noise in postseason
Posted on 10/1/20 at 8:58 am to BigRaggedyTiger
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The gap between us and alabama
The GAP isn’t talent...it’s the attrition of that talent to the draft.
Top programs will always lose highly graded JRs...that’s part of the game.
Difference is A1 and even Clemson are able to keep some of the high graded JRs (Not all) and don’t lose mid-late round graded JRs Or even UDFA JRs...LSU does and that’s the problem.
They have growing pains, but with being able to keep a few high grade JRs and not lose the mid-late guys, they can mask those growing pains.
Take Najee Harris, Devonta Smith, leatherwood from A1...all would have been drafted in first 3 rounds and they came back.
Look at A1 D last year! Not your typical D, why? Hit hard from 18 draft and then injuries. They had growing pains from injuries and LSU comes from draft.
This post was edited on 10/1/20 at 9:03 am
Posted on 10/1/20 at 8:59 am to tonydtiger
I don't believe recruiting rankings are the be-all end-all, but if you look at them LSU has had recruiting hiccups, i.e., 2012 and 2018. Alabama never has these, at least not under Saban. A top 15 class, even once in a while, means you are behind in the SEC West.
Besides recruiting, the other thing is that Saban seems to be able to transition from one coordinator to another without skipping much of a beat. Coach O laid an egg with the Canada hire, and we're all hoping the new DC does not have a similar fate.
In LSU's defense I do think we have harder schedules, on average, than Alabama if for no other reason our permanent opponent has been UF all these years.
Besides recruiting, the other thing is that Saban seems to be able to transition from one coordinator to another without skipping much of a beat. Coach O laid an egg with the Canada hire, and we're all hoping the new DC does not have a similar fate.
In LSU's defense I do think we have harder schedules, on average, than Alabama if for no other reason our permanent opponent has been UF all these years.
Posted on 10/1/20 at 9:13 am to Tall Tiger
If we don't lose Chase Vincent and Selvin we are right there. We will be back there next year once Brennan and these young guys get a year under their belt.
Posted on 10/1/20 at 9:15 am to Tall Tiger
No team, even Saban led, can lose 33 players and both the offensive & defensive production that the Tigers lost from one year to the next and it not show!
If O can really coach, we should improve greatly by the end of the year with the young talent we have.
If O can really coach, we should improve greatly by the end of the year with the young talent we have.
Posted on 10/1/20 at 9:29 am to bstew3006
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I said it a few days ago, until LSU can change draft eligible JRs (with mid-lower draft grades) from leaving, there will continue to be separation. That’s the difference. A1 could easily be without Najee Harris, devonta, leatherwood and others this year. Players of that caliber leave LSU early. Look at Clemson the past 5 years...they’ve had multiple high draft graded guys stay. LSU loses those guys and struggles to keep lower round guys...some go UDFA! That’s the difference.
I don’t necessarily disagree. (I still can’t believe Harris came back. If ANY position should leave early, it’s RB. But whatever.) The problem—for is—with Bama is that they have recruited so well for so long, that it’s hard for1st and 2nd year guys to get on the field. Eventual All-Americans and 1st rounders may not start until their 3rd, sometimes 4th year, and recently an abnormal amount are not only willing to wait, but are willing to come back to get coached up and add more—and better—tape.
I do think O will be better than Miles at getting upperclassmen to stay. I seem to recall one of O’s seasons we had a good number of guys come back who could have gone. But, O is all about recruiting and 2 of the things he really focuses on are the chance to compete for early playing time, and preparing and putting LSU players in the NFL. Delpit, Queen, Fulton, Phillips, Chiasson, Jefferson, Cush, Clyde...those dudes who could have come back this year, but are playing in the NFL are all feathers in O’s cap.
So he’s kinda got to sell coming to LSU in a different way than Saban does to Bama. And while it’s seems to be a good strategy for individual recruiting classes, it’s probably gonna prevent us from ever having the crazy depth that Bama has accumulated. Bama has been signing top classes under Saban for over 10 years now. They’re not going to win the NC every year, obviously, but that built in depth is probably gonna keep them from ever having to rebuild like we are—a “down year” for them is 2 losses. LSU can’t do that (now.) It will take several years of top 3(ish) classes. But, we should be in a position where the stars align every 2-4 years and we seriously compete for championships.
TL:DR—LSU and Bama have the same super high ceilings, but for now, Bama also has the higher floor. Sorry for all the unnecessary words.
Posted on 10/1/20 at 9:55 am to Hot Carl
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don’t necessarily disagree. (I still can’t believe Harris came back. If ANY position should leave early, it’s RB. But whatever.) The problem—for is—with Bama is that they have recruited so well for so long, that it’s hard for1st and 2nd year guys to get on the field. Eventual All-Americans and 1st rounders may not start until their 3rd, sometimes 4th year, and recently an abnormal amount are not only willing to wait, but are willing to come back to get coached up and add more—and better—tape.
I agree and I tried to clarify in a 2nd post.
It’s not a talent gap, both bring in loads of talent. It’s the attrition of talent. LSU has mid-late round Jrs leaving...even UDFA jrs leaving. Those JRs (Mid-late rounds) at A1 and Clemson come back and help mask growing pains. That has been a problem at LSU the last 6-8 years. O did a great job of bringing TS/Vincent/Stevens to come back. But covid screwed it up. If he can build off that, then the growing pains can be masked better.
This post was edited on 10/1/20 at 10:06 am
Posted on 10/1/20 at 10:54 am to bstew3006
You my friend are spot on. Recruiting guys to stay is the difference and I believe it's a culture issue that has to change. I don't want to hear that it was Covid or you don't k J.W. this guys situation. This has gone on for many many years. If you are a program that expects to play for National championships you come back and put your future on hold. Bama, Georgia, Ohio st, and Clemson all have high 1st round guys that could of left and they stayed. Those teams come back bc a title means something plus guys like Vincent and Shelvin got horrific advice Covid or not.
Posted on 10/1/20 at 10:56 am to BigRaggedyTiger
Would be a lot closer if every RS sophomore and junior on the roster didn’t declare for the draft every season
Posted on 10/1/20 at 12:34 pm to BigRaggedyTiger
So we win NC beat Bama head to head in Bama and we have to close the gap. After O retires they may catch up if we get a bad hire in three to four years. 
Posted on 10/1/20 at 12:38 pm to LSUbase13
Last twenty years we have 3 NC, Clemson and Ohio State each have 2 , so why are they in conversation and we aren’t. Our fans suck arse!
Posted on 10/1/20 at 12:39 pm to EXPLAYER
And if not for a mulligan we would have 4 , no doubt!
Posted on 10/1/20 at 12:41 pm to BigRaggedyTiger
I’m bad at math but doesn’t LSU have the more recent national championship?
Posted on 10/1/20 at 2:57 pm to EXPLAYER
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Last twenty years we have 3 NC, Clemson and Ohio State each have 2 , so why are they in conversation and we aren’t. Our fans suck arse!
Mainly because, Bama is not only in the same conference, but also the same division. OSU and Clemson have the easiest paths to the playoff and its usually been the winner of LSU/Bama for the 3rd spot with the 4th being up for grabs.
Posted on 10/1/20 at 2:58 pm to SammyTiger
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1-3 years of we keep recruiting like this.
We’ll be consistently good
Anyone with money can buy a fast car! Knowing how to drive and maintain it requires skill and knowledge.
In other words,Coach O can load our roster with 4 and 5 star recruits every year but if we don't have the coaching to properly develop and utilize those recruits then we have nothing but a fast car with no one to drive or maintain it.
Posted on 10/1/20 at 3:25 pm to BigRaggedyTiger
Posted on 10/1/20 at 4:14 pm to BigRaggedyTiger
The gap is pretty damned large, we beat the crap out of them last year, won the SEC, and the NC. I hope Bama isn't able to close it anytime soon!
Posted on 10/1/20 at 4:33 pm to cajuntiger1010
quote:so what you are saying is that Saban’s recruited LSU talent is the talent that can compete with a Saban’s Bama talent. Makes sense actually, lol.
every 7-8? nahh we can realistically can do more than that. 2003-2007 time period is what LSU should always be
Posted on 10/1/20 at 4:59 pm to OGJangalang
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Anyone with money can buy a fast car! Knowing how to drive and maintain it requires skill and knowledge
We we drove pretty well last year
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In other words,Coach O can load our roster with 4 and 5 star recruits every year but if we don't have the coaching to properly develop and utilize those recruits then we have nothing but a fast car with no one to drive or maintain it.
I Think Talent And depth was definitely an issue Saturday.
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