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re: The following QB's had worse Efficiency ratings than JJ
Posted on 12/14/09 at 4:39 pm to Roaad
Posted on 12/14/09 at 4:39 pm to Roaad
The passer rating does not include being unable to run the option, and never learning how to do it all season.
Many of those listed do know how to run the option, especially Terrelle Pryor.
just sayin'.
Many of those listed do know how to run the option, especially Terrelle Pryor.
just sayin'.
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Posted on 12/14/09 at 4:39 pm to HDTigers
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Its 2
So 2 short gains per game are what has caused us to be 108th in offense?
:chuckle:
As far as the audibles. . .Do you know that he wasn't told something to the effect of "if {insert defensive position} shows blitz/moves left/moves right/drops back/etc., then audible to run", or do you just assume JJ was operating out of a position of total freedom with regards to changing plays?
You think Crowton trusts a first year starter that much?
Posted on 12/14/09 at 4:40 pm to Roaad
no....thats 2 times he audibled out of a play to a run that went over 2 yards...
Posted on 12/14/09 at 4:41 pm to HDTigers
quote:
The following QB's had worse Efficiency ratings than JJ
no....thats 2 times he audibled out of a play to a run that went over 2 yards...
Posted on 12/14/09 at 4:41 pm to RobbBobb
quote:And yet JJ was in the top half of ALL QB's in pass efficiency. . .so you have failed, again.
amongst just soph starters, JJ was ranked:
13th of 17 - total yds
12th of 17 - TDs
15th of 17 - yds per comp
17th of 17 - sacks
15th of 17 - tot offense
And those worrying about switching to a freshman. Rankings of freshman compared to JJ:
9 FR had more yds/game
2 FR had more TDs
8 FR had more yds/comp
6 FR had more yds/att
8 FR had more yds
Only 1 FR led his team to less offensive production
Posted on 12/14/09 at 4:41 pm to Roaad
outa those 15 qbs you listed, are any of the teams they LEAD ranked lower than we are in total offense?
just saying.
just saying.
This post was edited on 12/14/09 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 12/14/09 at 4:42 pm to HDTigers
quote:per game or all season?
no....thats 2 times he audibled out of a play to a run that went over 2 yards...
You have a link for this?
Posted on 12/14/09 at 4:42 pm to TIGRLEE
quote:Kind of tells you that our QB isn't the problem, huh?
outa those 15 qbs you listed, are any of the teams they LEAD ranked lower than we are in total offense?
Posted on 12/14/09 at 4:49 pm to zaychik
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He took sacks that were drive killers
Oh you mean like the one where he got hurt when Nico Johnson was in his face in one second flat if that(in a game where the O line probably put together there best outing). I mean think about it, we had no interior running game and according to some we had a QB that "took" to many sacks. Coincidence, I think not. We know with the runners we have that they are capable of all being 700+ yard backs(if Kieland could get out of the damn dog house) because weve already seen them do it but all were atleast 150 short. And then with Jefferson being new its and not proven its easy to blame the sacks on him, but really can you ay it is. I mean I would say on average he had about a second and a half before he started having to move around or flush out where in the beginning of the season he "took" alot of sacks but towards the end began throwin some of them away. Even Tebow would take a fair number of sacks with our O line(granted not as many b/c I believe some/less than half though/ were on Jefferson).
Go back to ARkansas and GT lat year. With a different O line, he didnt have the awful problem of taking sacks when he was even more inexpirenced.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 4:50 pm to Roaad
He is a good quarterback, switching to someone else would be a bad idea. He will be in his third year and has shown competence as a balanced SEC quarterback who can run and pass. I'm willing to bet that many of those sacks came when he "dropped back" to pass, which is his main weakness. He's very good on the run or play action, if the coaches let him do what he does best he probably wouldn't have so many sacks.
Besides, I'd much rather a quarterback who takes too many sacks rather than throws too many interceptions, especially when a lot of those INTs go for touchdowns.
While the QB area of our offense needs some work (for example, let Sheppard throw some passes) it's definitley not the problem with our offense.
Besides, I'd much rather a quarterback who takes too many sacks rather than throws too many interceptions, especially when a lot of those INTs go for touchdowns.
While the QB area of our offense needs some work (for example, let Sheppard throw some passes) it's definitley not the problem with our offense.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 4:51 pm to Roaad
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And yet JJ was in the top half of ALL QB's in pass efficiency. . .so you have failed, again.
Its been pointed out ad nauseum that his pass efficiency is based on his short, no gain, and losses on completed passes.
If you factor in the 100+ times he got sacked or ran for 1.53 yds per carry, his efficiency sucks. But since he just ate the ball, it doesnt really reflect on how poor the offense ran with him at QB.
But you cannot hide this with his QB efficiency, 108th in offense and last in the SEC
Posted on 12/14/09 at 4:51 pm to Roaad
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Kind of tells you that our QB isn't the problem, huh?
only thing it tells you is that he isnt he sole problem.
I cant for the life of me understand why some of you people will not admit JJ as qb so far has been mediocre.
There isnt one thing as a qb that he does that is above avg.
Im not saying giving up on him or he wont improve.. but our shitty offense falls on his shoulders as much as the rest of the o unit and coaches.
Thank God he can get outa the pocket, b/c as of today that's his best attribute and at times it actually hurts instead being a good thing.
This post was edited on 12/14/09 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 12/14/09 at 4:53 pm to Roaad
Guys, this argument is just going in stinking circle, and I'm gettin' dizzy.
Bottom line: the offense sucked. Part of the problem was the O-line. Part of the problem was WRs dropping catchable balls. Part of the problem was QB. Part of the problem was RB's seemingly running with their eyes closed.
The one thing they all have in common is Crowton was in charge of every aspect of the offense, and he failed BIG TIME.
Les needs to show Crowton the door. Then, and only then, will we know for sure that Jefferson, Lee, Garrett, Shepard and the rest of the offense is coachable. Under Crowton the last two years, I can't think of more than one or two players who actually showed improvement, and there isn't ONE who I think has come anywhere close to reaching his potential.
Bottom line: the offense sucked. Part of the problem was the O-line. Part of the problem was WRs dropping catchable balls. Part of the problem was QB. Part of the problem was RB's seemingly running with their eyes closed.
The one thing they all have in common is Crowton was in charge of every aspect of the offense, and he failed BIG TIME.
Les needs to show Crowton the door. Then, and only then, will we know for sure that Jefferson, Lee, Garrett, Shepard and the rest of the offense is coachable. Under Crowton the last two years, I can't think of more than one or two players who actually showed improvement, and there isn't ONE who I think has come anywhere close to reaching his potential.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 4:53 pm to TIGRLEE
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I cant for the life of me understand why some of you people will not admit JJ as qb so far has been mediocre.
There isnt one thing as a qb that he does that is above avg.
B/c we can see Jefferson improving and believe he will have a great career. And I would say his running ability is alittle above mediocore fwiw imho. And who else are we gonna turn to, Lee?
Posted on 12/14/09 at 4:55 pm to Tiger Stadium 11
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B/c we can see Jefferson improving and believe he will have a great career
what did he do better vs ark than he did vs washington?
Posted on 12/14/09 at 4:56 pm to mtntiger
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Les needs to show Crowton the door.
Bottom line is if Crowton stays, Miles isnt laying the blame for the 108th ranked offense on Crowtons shoulders.
What does that tell you?
Posted on 12/14/09 at 4:58 pm to Roaad
Marcus Randall had a 139 QB rating his last year, and he was just splendid 
Jefferson's numbers are misleading when broken down.
good thing is, when he was "on", he was really good. Its just that was half the time he was in. If he can play like that consistently, i will feel fine with him at QB.
but he has proven that he is a half to half player. Its amazing how good he can look 1 half and how shitty he looks the next
Jefferson's numbers are misleading when broken down.
good thing is, when he was "on", he was really good. Its just that was half the time he was in. If he can play like that consistently, i will feel fine with him at QB.
but he has proven that he is a half to half player. Its amazing how good he can look 1 half and how shitty he looks the next
Posted on 12/14/09 at 5:01 pm to Lester Earl
If a defense makes adjustments to the playcalling of the offense and the offense doesn't counter, you blame the QB or the OC?
Really. Think about what you guys are saying about a 19 year with 14 starts under his belt and a 10-4 record. Could have been 12-2 looking back at the 31-30 Ark loss and the recent Ole Miss loss. Bama could've been another victory had JJ not gotten hurt. Easily could be 13-1 as a starter.
Really. Think about what you guys are saying about a 19 year with 14 starts under his belt and a 10-4 record. Could have been 12-2 looking back at the 31-30 Ark loss and the recent Ole Miss loss. Bama could've been another victory had JJ not gotten hurt. Easily could be 13-1 as a starter.
This post was edited on 12/14/09 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 12/14/09 at 5:02 pm to RobbBobb
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Bottom line is if Crowton stays, Miles isnt laying the blame for the 108th ranked offense on Crowtons shoulders.
What does that tell you?
That tells me Crowton has evidence of Miles in a very compromising position with Tiger's wife, or he has just completely lost touch with reality.
I mean, damn, the guy showed MaleVeto the door and our defense wasn't ranked anywhere near the very bottom of Div. 1A like our current offense.
Hell, if we had even the 70th ranked offense, there's a good chance that we would have played Florida in the SEC championship this season.
Posted on 12/14/09 at 5:05 pm to TIGRLEE
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what did he do better vs ark than he did vs washington?
His stats were better in the Ark game besides the one int, and its was against atleast one of the worst defense in the SEC rather than in the entire country. In the Arkansas games JJ was making some plays, while at Washington TT and BL where making all the plays.
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