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icegator337
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Lafayette
Member since Jan 2013
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
it would be incredibly stupid for Guice to come back to school. No matter how well he performs the added carries and workload will hurt his future in the NFL. If he wants a shot at the big payday its all about the second contract and getting to it as quickly as possible


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tigercross
Member since Feb 2008
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
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Some are the brains and some are the braun.


And some, my friends, are neither.


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LSU82BILL
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Member since Sep 2006
5657 posts

re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
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3 words for NFL

Not guaranteed contracts.



Wrong. Many are at least partially guaranteed. Leonard Fournette's $27 million contract is FULLY guaranteed.
This post was edited on 12/6 at 2:42 pm


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Mike da Tigah
Anywhere but here
Member since Feb 2005
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
1 career ending injury away from “Now What?”


I understand the monetary motivation for the pros, but the other side of the argument is you have a free ride to receiving a college degree, and most of these players would never have had a chance to receive one without college athletics in the first place, and that should never be undervalued. That is of course what this is all about, not a farm to grow talent for the NFL.

There’s another argument only age truly teaches you the value of, and that’s you will never get these golden years back. Living is a journey, not a race to get to the finish line and attain as much money as you can as fast as you can. You understand that when you wake up one day and realize that the money hasn’t brought happiness to your life, the fulfilled living of life has, and money is just a tool. If you rush through this thing, you’re going to miss it all, or at least not enjoy the journey itself.

Had a discussion the other day with a young guy who said he was motivated purely by money, and what he did was of much less importance to how much he made doing it. I was taken back as to how empty that was, and that if all we do as people is chase the dollar, then we haven’t lived a day of life and will one day wake up having spent it all and robbed ourselves of living our life, maybe even hating our life and what we did with it.

The skinny of all this is enjoy the ride. These college years are the best years of your life. Don’t cheapen them or rush to end them. You don’t get em back.




atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
6411 posts

re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
getting a degree vs. leaving early for the NFL aren't mutually exclusive. Players can take classes in the off-season if they want to.

If Google or Apple came to campus and offered junior engineering students the same money that NFL offered (with a lengthy off-season), you think anybody would turn them down?


atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
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Had a discussion the other day with a young guy who said he was motivated purely by money, and what he did was of much less importance to how much he made doing it. I was taken back as to how empty that was, and that if all we do as people is chase the dollar, then we haven’t lived a day of life and will one day wake up having spent it all and robbed ourselves of living our life, maybe even hating our life and what we did with it.

The skinny of all this is enjoy the ride. These college years are the best years of your life. Don’t cheapen them or rush to end them. You don’t get em back.

true, but juniors have already had 3 years of the college experience. They're just giving up their final year -
it's not like they're bypassing it entirely.

And regarding "chasing the money": they're still getting to do what they love (and what they'd be doing as a college senior) but they just get life-changing money for it.


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Mike da Tigah
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
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Players can take classes in the off-season if they want to.


And almost none ever do.


atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
6411 posts

re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
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Players can take classes in the off-season if they want to.
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And almost none ever do.

but they CAN. It's not as if leaving for the NFL means a college degree isn't possible for them anymore.



Mike da Tigah
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
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but they CAN. It's not as if leaving for the NFL means a college degree isn't possible for them anymore.


You’re right, but life begins to take over, and there’s other pressing issues that creep in, which as we know is just the beginning of that which never ends and only compounds as we get older. The window closes quickly.



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baobabtiger
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
Also, don’t discount the contacts that he’s made with boosters. He could parlay that into a well paying job with a degree.

I personally would leave and then come back and finish school once the career was over.


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ReelTiger1
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
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paper tiger


Refusing to educate the mind is only the dreams of idiots. !!!



paper tiger
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acadiana
Member since Feb 2006
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
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Refusing to educate the mind is only the dreams of idiots. !!!


WTF? LOL.

The post topic relates to a college kid who is a junior and projects to be a high NFL pick (1 to 4 rounds) should return for his senior season to get a degree and lose a year of his prime playing age and earning age in the NFL.

Even as a third rounder a player will get an average bonus of over 600k and deal worth over 2 mil. Third rounders are rarely cut their first year, and even if they are, they have 600k to show for it.

From a business and economic standpoint, take the money now and come back and get the degree later if you want to.

I might also argue that education takes many forms. The experience of living in a big city like NY or Chicago for a kid like Guice who grew up in BR might well serve him better than an extra year in college as a geography or phys ed major.





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r2d2
Member since Dec 2006
2091 posts

re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
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A third round pick on average will make more than 2 million over 4 years.


First round guys should probably leave however NFL careers are very short. I If you can’t earn 2 million over 10 years you suck at life. At least the part that involves earning money.


MLCLyons
Member since Nov 2012
1210 posts

re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
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I graduated from LSU and make $250,000 a year, have no chronic musculoskeletal problems, and no problems remembering stuff. Football seems like a bad choice compared to an education from my standpoint.


You're a huge anomaly.


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Pelican fan99
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
Most players thinking about leaving early aren’t usually getting a degree worth a whole lot to begin with. They can always come back later to finish if they want to. I’ve always thought it was a dumb argument


shel311
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McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
58537 posts

re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
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Thank you Anemone. You can take ANYTHNG away from someone but their EDUCATION. You and I will make close to that amount in our lifetime of work if we chose,without the risk. Education first along with college life,then goals.
Leaving early does not mean you lose the chance to get an education ,fwiw.


OceanMan
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Member since Mar 2010
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
Your argument is also flawed, if said player actually has a chance of improving his draft position.

The higher you are drafted, the more chances you will get in the league. A first rounder isn't going to get cut after training camp. If they have already invested in you, they are more likely to keep you around while other guys come and go.

If you have a chance to start for the first time, or be first on the depth chart, it could certainly help your draft stock.

Draft position drives perceived value in the NFL, there are countless examples of this.

If you can benefit from more reps as an amateur, it could make sense to take them. Professional golf is an example of this.

Of course, if your stock isn't likely to rise much, your reasoning is solid. If you are going to b drafted on measurable a or potential, maybe it's best to go.

This is especially true for RB. NFL teams always look to cheap labor at this position. Better to go out and earn while you can.


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OceanMan
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Member since Mar 2010
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
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Leaving early does not mean you lose the chance to get an education ,fwiw.


Yeah but it's a hell of a lot easier to be pry of a program for a lot of these kids. They need the structure and motivation.


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Tiger_n_ATL
LSU Fan
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2005
30136 posts

re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
YOu assume the 3rd round pick is not going to get cut (which most of them do) and last more than 1 year in the NFL (which most of them don't).

recalculate your theory based on 1 years earnings, not 4 years.


atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
6411 posts

re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
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Most players thinking about leaving early aren’t usually getting a degree worth a whole lot to begin with.
correct. An overwhelming majority of our players major in Sports Administration. Not a lot of high-paying employers beating down the doors of those graduates.


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