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paper tiger
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The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
In years past some people would praise kids for staying in school their senior year to get a degree. For players selected in the first four rounds that was and still is usually a dumb argument.

A middle first round NFL pick will make 12 mil over 4 yrs with a 7 mil signing bonus. A third round pick on average will make more than 2 million over 4 years.

A college graduate from LSU is lucky to find a job starting at 50k a year. To make 12 million dollars, that graduate would have to earn 100 k per yer for 120 years. To make what a third rounder would make in 4 years a college grad would have to earn 100 k for 20 years.

From a business and financial standpoint, staying in school to get a degree and giving up a year of earning capacity in the NFL, with the risk of injury, is not a wise decision.

There are a few kids who might gain in the draft by stating an extra year, that’s a different matter. For kids like Guice and Key, staying in school isn’t smart, they can always c8me back for a degree if that is important to them.

Jackson and Tolliver both project in the third round or thereabouts. It would be hard to argue with those young men if they moved on with their paying careers. They could make more in 4 yrs than some posters on here will earn in a lifetime.


Anemone
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
I graduated from LSU and make $250,000 a year, have no chronic musculoskeletal problems, and no problems remembering stuff. Football seems like a bad choice compared to an education from my standpoint.


Anemone
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
Money ain’t even everything. You realize this once you have something money can’t buy.


Mo Jeaux
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
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I graduated from LSU and make $250,000 a year, have no chronic musculoskeletal problems, and no problems remembering stuff. Football seems like a bad choice compared to an education from my standpoint.


Do you really think that most future NFL players would be able to do what you do?


Mo Jeaux
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
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Money ain’t even everything. You realize this once you have something money can’t buy.


What would another year or two get these players though?

They’re better off getting the money and hopefully utilizing the money management resources that the NFL will offer them.


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Anemone
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
Maybe not but what about the desire to finish something you started? The desire to be there for your friends/teammates? Some of the guys must be interested in things football provides other than money.


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DaBeerz
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
3 words for NFL

Not guaranteed contracts.


They can cut you at any time and you are back in BFE, Louisiana with just your signing bonus... but you already bought jewelry and an Escalade and burned thru it all
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paper tiger
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
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I graduated from LSU and make $250,000 a year, have no chronic musculoskeletal problems, and no problems remembering stuff. Football seems like a bad choice compared to an education from my standpoint.


Using your argument, Guice shouldn’t play college ball either. He risks musculoskeletal problems for no pay playing for all our viewing pleasure.


Your argument is more about whether a kid should play football at all, not whether he should go pro early.



idlewatcher
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
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Do you really think that most future NFL players would be able to do what you do?


It sure if srs. You think Guice would have a 250K/yr job if he didn’t have football? Let’s be real now. Some are the brains and some are the braun.


Mo Jeaux
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
It was a rhetorical question.


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Hold That Tiger 10
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
Do people not realize that just because a player goes to the NFL it doesnt mean that they can't continue on in school and graduate.

I'm sure a decent number of players go to LSU with the sole purpose of making it to the NFL. They are probably in a major that will allow them to worry about school as little as possible. So, even if they were to graduate, it would be a pretty worthless degree.


paper tiger
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Member since Feb 2006
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
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graduated from LSU and make $250,000 a year, have no chronic musculoskeletal problems, and no problems remembering stuff. Football seems like a bad choice compared to an education from my standpoint.


Ok, it will still take you 50 years to earn what Guice will make in 4 years. Not counting his endorsement deals of course. Lol.


tke857
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
No doubt if they get a round 3 grade or higher I'm jumping. Especially with how a lot of these guys came up. A lot if not most can't comprehend the lives they have lived.

Who am I to tell someone to stay in school and put off a multi million dollar contract?


rbdallas
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
Reality check !!

Most people do not make $ 250,000.

If Guice stays and gets hurt, he will be on the streets or close to it the rest of his life.
If he stays and graduates, he will likely not be in the salary range you are.

It would be dumb not to go to the NFL, cash in and later return to get the degree, with a name and bank acct. already made.... kinda like Shaquille.




Madking
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
What’s funny is when you hear these retired players who’ve lost millions say that exact same thing. Football life spans are what 4 years long? Even guys who get that one big contract seldom see the entire deal, it’s not like baseball or hoops where the money is promised to you nomatter what. In some cases of course they need to go, sometimes the family situation is dire and sometimes the kid is being helped just to stay eligible. But in Guices case he seems like a smart enough kid and with insurance policies being sometimes more than a mid or late round contract you’re not hurting yourself by staying. Look at the top backs in the league and throughout history, 90% at least were 4 year players. When you factor in the fact that over half of first round picks are broke before their second year in the NFL you can’t tell me that 250 more touches in college isn’t worth the trade off of losing millions because of a lack of education.


terriblegreen
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
The average NFL player is out of the league in 3 years. Your argument is flawed.


Sterling Archer
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
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Do people not realize that just because a player goes to the NFL it doesnt mean that they can't continue on in school and graduate.


Fricking this man

People go back and finish their degrees all the time! School isn't going anywhere


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memphis tiger
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
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Money ain’t even everything. You realize this once you have something money can’t buy


You do realize that leaving early for the draft and getting a degree are not mutually exclusive.

Literally hundreds of NFL players got their college degrees AFTER their college eligibility ran out and they were in the NFL.


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Ppro
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
college is about preparing you to be in a better financial position than those that don't have a degree. If your degree is in football and you can make even a few million dollars in a few years you are way ahead of the vast majority of college graduates. college prepares you to make money.


lsu2006
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re: The flawed argument to stay in school and get a degree
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Do people not realize that just because a player goes to the NFL it doesnt mean that they can't continue on in school and graduate.


This. Plenty players in all three major sports do it often. He needs to strike while the iron is hot with the NFL. That's the dream of every player of his caliber from day 1. I won't be upset if he stays though, don't get it twisted.


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