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The flaw in Kiffin's offensive philosophy that cost us against Alabama

Posted on 11/9/26 at 11:22 am
Posted by Tiger of the Shire
Charlotte, NC
Member since Dec 2018
31 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 11:22 am
I'm a big fan of Kiffin's offensive scheme overall. The spacing, tempo, RPOs, and the way it puts defenders in conflict are terrific, particularly with a QB like Leavitt who's a legitimate running threat. But I think there's a significant flaw in his philosophy that cost us dearly against Alabama and has shown up throughout the season: For an offense that's so multiple in its play concepts, it's remarkably one-dimensional in its reliance on shotgun.

We're almost exclusively in shotgun regardless of the situation, even in obvious short yardage and inside the 10, where the field is condensed and much of the spread's spacing advantage disappears.

Earlier this season, Kiffin explained his philosophy in this interview (sorry for the Facebook reel link, it's where I stumbled on it). He specifically addressed fans wondering why we'd snap the ball five yards deep when we only need a yard. His explanation was essentially that shotgun gets the ball to the RB immediately, whereas under center, the QB has to turn around and deliver it several yards behind him.

I think Kiffin's logic here is fundamentally flawed. He's conflating how quickly the RB receives the football with how quickly the RB can actually reach the line of scrimmage. Those are two very different things, especially when you only need six inches or a yard. A QB sneak can attack the line almost instantly. A quick-hitting fullback dive can have a runner moving downhill before he even receives the ball, hitting the hole with forward momentum. Compare that to a back starting five yards deep who receives the ball flat-footed and has to accelerate toward the line while defenders are already attacking downhill.

I largely agree with Kiffin's philosophy on normal downs, where spacing and the threat of multiple plays stress a defense. But why not more regularly mix in some under-center formations and heavier personnel packages (12/13 personnel, extra offensive linemen, etc.), particularly in obvious short-yardage running situations and goal-to-go situations inside the 10? We already have some of these looks in the playbook, but they're rarely utilized. Run power, sneak it, use a lead blocker, or even play-action off those looks. I'm not suggesting abandoning the spread, just having another way to attack defenses when the situation calls for it.

Saturday against Alabama illustrated the problem perfectly. We moved the ball effectively much of the game but repeatedly stalled deep in their territory. Ironically, our only touchdown came on a five-yard run out of the I-formation (with 2 tightends), which I believe was our only play from under center in the game. Then late in the game, when I saw we came up just short on the second down, I turned to my son and said "Here comes the direct snap to the RB in shotgun." Alabama certainly seemed to know it was coming too and blew the play up in a critical spot that seemed to open the floodgates. Not only are we running obvious short-yardage plays from a formation that I believe puts us at a disadvantage, but we're also becoming incredibly predictable in our play selection. That's a bad combination.

Being multiple shouldn't just mean running a dozen different plays from shotgun. It should mean being able to fundamentally change how you attack a defense when the situation calls for it. I believe in Kiffin and think he'll get it figured out and adapt. But I must admit, his explanation in that interview above where he "educates" the fans on why he thinks snapping it in shotgun formation when we need a single yard is smart was really alarming to me.
Posted by Morecowbell
Ravenite Social Club
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 11/9/26 at 11:56 am to
"ChatGPT, I don't feel like reading a book today. Can u summarize this in a few sentences, please?"

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I like Kiffin's offense, but his reliance on shotgun hurts us in short-yardage situations. Getting the ball to the RB quicker doesn't mean hitting the line faster. Under center allows for QB sneaks and quicker-hitting downhill runs. Alabama exposed how predictable we've become, especially considering our only TD came from the I-formation. We don't need to abandon the spread, just be more versatile when the situation calls for it.
Posted by Kikicaca
1 Mile from the Atchafalaya
Member since Nov 2016
2796 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 12:21 pm to
We beat Bama in every statistic except they rushed for 2 more yards than we did, 79 yds touchdown our 77 yds. RUSSELL PLAYED BETTER THAN LEAVITT THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE.
This post was edited on 11/9/26 at 5:04 pm
Posted by Geaux002
Member since Jan 2021
1817 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 12:24 pm to
Was there a philosophy on display in this offense? Looked like backyard crap.
Posted by Jauquismos
Member since Jul 2023
2285 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 12:32 pm to
Kiffin got outcoached, especially in the red zone.
That was the difference.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
45227 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 12:38 pm to
quote:

Kiffin got outcoached.
For the 3rd time this season.....
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
59033 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 12:40 pm to
quote:

I turned to my son and said "Here comes the direct snap to the RB in shotgun." Alabama certainly seemed to know it was coming too

This is the problem. Predictability. The rest of your analysis is off base. When our opponents ran short yardage dives we stuffed them for losses too…because they were predictable.
Posted by Kikicaca
1 Mile from the Atchafalaya
Member since Nov 2016
2796 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 1:57 pm to
You are a know nothing clown. Kiffin wasn't playing QB. Kiffin wasn't thowing passes with no arc that gets swatted down time after time game after game. Kiffin didn't panic in the pocket and get sacked or threw a horrible pass. Kiffin didn't throw a scratch your head int into triple coverage. You are just yet another one of those ignorant fans who thinks you can call better plays and totally ignoring EXECUTION. It must be measurable sitting with you and watching a football game. You are not a knowledgeable fan you are a negative malcontent.
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
16129 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 4:02 pm to
Kiffin didn’t get out coached.

I don’t think he was too predictable.

I think the offensive line problems took a lot of stuff we would like to do off the table.

When your interior offensive line gets blown up play after play, you can’t do with runs up the middle.

The difference was their offensive line played better than ours did. Their qb had more time. Our defensive line didn’t get pressure. They didn’t get great push as much as bama did.

This limits what you can do as a team. You need to spread things out more. They were limited because of offensive line issues. You know why lane didn’t go for it on fourth and one against Kentucky?

You can’t line up and get one yard. You line up and you lose 2 yards.

The lack of the offensive line being able to push people around is so devastatingly limiting. And you see that time and again. And lane knows that fact. And the other team knows that fact. That means lane has to pass. The other team knows lane has to pass.

The tldr aspect is the lack of an offensive line extremely limits this offenses ability to do certain things and makes us more predictable.
Posted by NorthEndZone
Member since Dec 2008
14892 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 4:05 pm to
quote:

THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE.


And defense totally blew assignments/coverage on two goal line plays.
Posted by Kikicaca
1 Mile from the Atchafalaya
Member since Nov 2016
2796 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 4:10 pm to
quote:

And defense totally blew assignments/coverage on two goal line plays.


You can't hold teams like Bama and Georgia scoreless all day. The offense needs to score TD's. We didn't and mainly because Leavitt had a bad game.
Posted by NorthEndZone
Member since Dec 2008
14892 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 4:16 pm to
That's why I said 'and'. I'm not defending Leavitt or the offense at all. Red Zone killed us both ways. Alabama stopped our offense when they needed to - except once.
Posted by lsutigertalk
At Death Valley
Member since Apr 2004
5593 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 4:23 pm to
Play calling within the 15 yard line has been abysmal. We go no huddle, run everyone to the line and run the football up the gut every single time. It never gets any positive yardage.

Formation also has made it very easy for DC’s to spot what we are doing. When down and it’s 4th and 4, you put an H in the slot? Anyone with any football knowledge and two brain cells to rub together should be able to spot it was a WR screen.

You have a 6’8 freak at TE and refuse to try and push the ball to him in the red zone. Instead you flush first down into the toilet because you refuse to break tendencies and run the ball up the gut every time. Why is it that LSU has a head coach that is known as an ‘offensive genius’ yet we break zero tendencies, and Bama dialed up two red zone calls that didn’t have a soul within 20 yards of them? Really just flat out pathetic red zone scheming.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
163634 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 4:31 pm to
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When your interior offensive line gets blown up play after play, you can’t do with runs up the middle.



Yeah, and I’ve touched on this before, but I think with Sam’s height, you’re seeing something that was occasionally the Achilles’ heel of the Brees/Payton offense.

A strong interior pass rush can really disrupt his ability to see the field and operate from the pocket. Sam looks pretty smooth against teams that can't consistently generate pressure up the middle, but his play regresses significantly against teams that can.

There’s a reason the Saints placed such a premium on guard play during the Brees years. Keeping the interior of the pocket clean was arguably more important than protecting the edges because Brees needed room to step up and clear throwing lanes. I think you're seeing some of those same limitations with Sam.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
23975 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 4:35 pm to
I think the plays were there and Leavitt shite his pants.

Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
39454 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 4:39 pm to
....and Kalen DeBore is not a coaching genius
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
8413 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 4:41 pm to
quote:

He specifically addressed fans wondering why we'd snap the ball five yards deep when we only need a yard. His explanation was essentially that shotgun gets the ball to the RB immediately, whereas under center, the QB has to turn around and deliver it several yards behind him.

I think Kiffin's logic here is fundamentally flawed. He's conflating how quickly the RB receives the football with how quickly the RB can actually reach the line of scrimmage. Those are two very different things, especially when you only need six inches or a yard. A QB sneak can attack the line almost instantly. A quick-hitting fullback dive can have a runner moving downhill before he even receives the ball, hitting the hole with forward momentum. Compare that to a back starting five yards deep who receives the ball flat-footed and has to accelerate toward the line while defenders are already attacking downhill.
For an A gap play, a direct snap is faster to hit the hole than any handoff. For B gap and wider plays, direct snap is slower to hit the hole unless it's an angled snap.
This post was edited on 11/9/26 at 4:50 pm
Posted by Kikicaca
1 Mile from the Atchafalaya
Member since Nov 2016
2796 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 5:02 pm to
FWIW read Dandy Dons assessment of the game in his post today.
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
19451 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 5:04 pm to
Sure champ
3/4 plays cost 21 Damn pints.
Posted by PurpleSingularity
Member since Dec 2017
3142 posts
Posted on 11/9/26 at 5:07 pm to
quote:

RUSSELL PLAYED BETTER THAN LEAVITT THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE.


Wrong and too simplistic…LSU lost because we lost in every situational, impactful context. When there was a play that HAD to be made to win a football game, Alabama made that play and LSU didn’t.
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