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re: The day we "get on board" with hiring unqualified coaches is the day the program dies.

Posted on 1/11/18 at 11:51 pm to
Posted by phideauxlsu
White Oak,TX
Member since Jan 2007
1379 posts
Posted on 1/11/18 at 11:51 pm to
We got nothin, we ain’t comin!
Posted by Space Cowboy
Member since Oct 2016
4079 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:40 am to
What exactly makes you believe that Ensminger is unqualified to be the OC? He's coached football his entire career and played quarterback at LSU. He has forgotten astronomically far more about football than you will ever come close to knowing. Which really isn't hard, since just about everyone has forgotten far more about football than you will ever come close to knowing.
This post was edited on 1/12/18 at 4:10 am
Posted by Space Cowboy
Member since Oct 2016
4079 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 4:03 am to
Canada was seen as pariah and a cancer on the coaching staff and had to go.

Moreover, Aranda, O, and Ensminger are all the closest of friends and in fact, inseparable. Indeed, they are a ban of brothers. Coach O doesn't make any decisions without running them through both those guys first, as he trusts both of those guys immensely.

Furthermore, there is no way Ensminger would be bumped up to OC if Aranda didn't agree with it too. In fact, Aranda says Ensminger is a better play caller than Canada is and he should know since he schemed against both of them every day in practice. There are also rumors that it was Ensminger who called all the plays in the A&M game.

Not to mention, that it was Ensminger who went out and got the top wideout in the country to sign with LSU. Where was Canada?

You might not agree with the promotion of Ensminger to OC, but O and Aranda do and that's all that matters.
Posted by ultratiger89
Houston, Tx
Member since Aug 2007
3326 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 5:48 am to
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i can read a resume.


So can I and the they don’t always mean anything. I interviewed an engineer with 15 years experience and a Masters degree from Georgia Tech and LSU and he could not explain to me in the simplest ways the lifecycle of a project. On the other hand I interviewed an engineer with three years experience for the same position and she was able to explain to me not only the lifecycle of the project but how she went about specifying instrumentation. She was hired and has been a superstar ever since.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11713 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 6:01 am to
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The next 4 years under Saban Michigan went 25-22-1.
6-5-1
6-6
5-6
6-6


Am I misunderstanding the math? How does that total to 25-22-1?
Posted by Lutcher Lad
South of the Mason-Dixon Line
Member since Sep 2009
6726 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 6:06 am to
Stay home, turn off the television, don't listen to the radio & shut up! Tiger Nation doesn't need your sorry, whining arse. Pull for Tulane, Chicken Little.
Posted by ranger350
CutOff
Member since Jul 2011
857 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 6:14 am to
wasn't it Arandas defense that gave up the winning TD against ND ?
Posted by OU812
Michigan
Member since Apr 2004
13210 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 6:19 am to
Nobody has mentioned a word about Orgeron stepping in and not allowing Canada to play Brennan when he wanted and stepping in and not allowing Canada to call all the plays he wanted. Orgeron is a liar and joke!
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59880 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 6:32 am to
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Stay home, turn off the television, don't listen to the radio & shut up! Tiger Nation doesn't need your sorry, whining arse. Pull for Tulane, Chicken Little.


It’s time for you to clock into your minimum wage job.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47410 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 6:48 am to
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So can I and the they don’t always mean anything. I interviewed an engineer with 15 years experience and a Masters degree from Georgia Tech and LSU and he could not explain to me in the simplest ways the lifecycle of a project. On the other hand I interviewed an engineer with three years experience for the same position and she was able to explain to me not only the lifecycle of the project but how she went about specifying instrumentation. She was hired and has been a superstar ever since.






cool
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47410 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 6:50 am to
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Stay home, turn off the television, don't listen to the radio & shut up! Tiger Nation doesn't need your sorry, whining arse. Pull for Tulane, Chicken Little. 






no amount of lsu wins will make your trailer a house.


i was born a tiger and I'll die one.
This post was edited on 1/12/18 at 6:50 am
Posted by notbilly
alter
Member since Sep 2015
6119 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 6:53 am to
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and bring on a 73 year old WR coac


The worst part about this is we now have two WR coaches on staff.
Posted by stho381
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jan 2012
4634 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 7:06 am to
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im sorry but its true. no fan should ever be ok with the AD hiring or promoting unqualified coaches.



Who determines what is unqualified? I am not a huge fan of the OC, but Ensminger's resume doesn't seem unqualified...

He played QB at LSU for 4 years and was in the NFL 2 years as a player

1982–1983 Nicholls State (WR)
1984–1986 McNeese State (OC/QB)
1988–1990 Louisiana Tech (OC/QB)
1991–1993 Georgia (QB/PGC)
1994–1996 Texas A&M (OC/QB)
1997–1998 Clemson (OC/QB)
2000–2002 Central HS (LA) (HC/AD)
2002 West Monroe HS (LA) (WR)
2003 Auburn (QB)
2004–2008 Auburn (TE)
2008 Auburn (OC)
2009 Smiths Station HS (AL) (PGC)
2010–2016 LSU (TE)
2016 LSU (OC/QB)
2017 LSU (TE)
2018–present LSU (OC/QB)

He's literally been coaching in the SEC for 13 of the last 14 years and he did decently well as interim last year.

I understand our fanbase's need to have a big name, sexy hire, but to say Ensminger is unqualified isn't really true.

I think what's happening is that the contingent that hate the CEO hire just hate everything he does.

The reality is that CEO's tenure at LSU will not be tied to wins/losses. It will be tied to how well the offense performs. He knows that and is doing what he can to try and get everything moving in the direction he wants. If the Ensminger hire fails this year, then CEO will be out and all of you will get your wish.
Posted by Lutcher Lad
South of the Mason-Dixon Line
Member since Sep 2009
6726 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 7:39 am to

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It’s time for you to clock into your minimum wage job.


Thanks for the advice Mo Jeaux..but did you hear? Walmart will be giving me a raise. Big Money, $11 per hour!
What's in your wallet?
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 7:49 am to
quote:

What exactly makes you believe that Ensminger is unqualified to be the OC? He's coached football his entire career and played quarterback at LSU. He has forgotten astronomically far more about football than you will ever come close to knowing. Which really isn't hard, since just about everyone has forgotten far more about football than you will ever come close to knowing.



"Qualified" is a relative term. In that, way back in the past he once held this position, it's impossible to say he is "unqualified." But given his track record as an OC, and the fact that not one P5 school has employed him as their OC in two decades, it stands to reason that he is not viewed as any great OC by anyone...at all.

So when some say that Ensminger is not qualified, what they are saying is that he is not qualified as a candidate in terms of the quality of his resume. Same as Orgeron was not qualified based on his abysmal HC career and sub .500 career record to have even sniffed an interview at LSU. We were promised better, we pay for better, and our program demands that we actually DO go out and do our due diligence to find the very best we can hire. Tapping the TE's coach who has not cashed a paycheck as an OC since the Clinton Administration is not living up to those very reasonable expectations EVERYONE ought to have for this program.

None of this has anything PERSONALLY to do with Steve Ensminger. It is a valid critique of his resume and the complete lack of a real search.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
86593 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 8:05 am to
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What exactly makes you believe that Ensminger is unqualified to be the OC?


hasn't been a full time OC in 20 years and wasn't even all that great even when he was

quote:


He has forgotten astronomically far more about football than you will ever come close to knowing. Which really isn't hard, since just about everyone has forgotten far more about football than you will ever come close to knowing.


Ok. The poster you're responding to isn't qualified either. Happy?
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
86593 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 8:08 am to
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I understand our fanbase's need to have a big name, sexy hire


That's not it at all. If you can't get a bigname that's fine. Some of those guys aren't a fit and other wont move. That's understood. But go outside your friend group and bring in an up and coming forward thinking offensive mind. That's what Oklahoma State did with Yurchich. That's what Mike Belloti did at Oregon when he hired an OC from an FCS school. Guy named Chip Kelly, you may have heard of him.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 8:10 am to
quote:

Who determines what is unqualified? I am not a huge fan of the OC, but Ensminger's resume doesn't seem unqualified...


His resume.

quote:

1982–1983 Nicholls State (WR)
1984–1986 McNeese State (OC/QB)
1988–1990 Louisiana Tech (OC/QB)
1991–1993 Georgia (QB/PGC)
1994–1996 Texas A&M (OC/QB)
1997–1998 Clemson (OC/QB)
2000–2002 Central HS (LA) (HC/AD)
2002 West Monroe HS (LA) (WR)
2003 Auburn (QB)
2004–2008 Auburn (TE)
2008 Auburn (OC)
2009 Smiths Station HS (AL) (PGC)
2010–2016 LSU (TE)
2016 LSU (OC/QB)
2017 LSU (TE)


Don't let 2008 fool you. Ensminger's last full time job as an OC was in 1998.

Twenty years ago.

The 2008 OC job was as an interim after Tuberville fired Tony Franklin 6 games into that abysmal season, which eventually got HIM fired as well.

So no one is saying that Steve Ensminger isn't a good guy or a loyal Tiger, or even that he is some idiot that does not know football. What people ARE saying is that, generally, if you're really good at your job, you don't have 20 year gaps on your resume where no one was paying you for that job...

That ought not be some kind of controversial point of view, should it?
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47410 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 8:11 am to
quote:

Qualified" is a relative term. In that, way back in the past he once held this position, it's impossible to say he is "unqualified." But given his track record as an OC, and the fact that not one P5 school has employed him as their OC in two decades, it stands to reason that he is not viewed as any great OC by anyone...at all. 

So when some say that Ensminger is not qualified, what they are saying is that he is not qualified as a candidate in terms of the quality of his resume. Same as Orgeron was not qualified based on his abysmal HC career and sub .500 career record to have even sniffed an interview at LSU. We were promised better, we pay for better, and our program demands that we actually DO go out and do our due diligence to find the very best we can hire. Tapping the TE's coach who has not cashed a paycheck as an OC since the Clinton Administration is not living up to those very reasonable expectations EVERYONE ought to have for this program. 

None of this has anything PERSONALLY to do with Steve Ensminger. It is a valid critique of his resume and the complete lack of a real search. 



boom
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
15735 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 8:16 am to
The day, the program died
And we were singing
Bye, bye Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry
And them good ole boys were drinking whiskey and rye
Singin' this'll be the day that I die
This'll be the day that I die
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