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re: The case for Kristian Fulton and why he should be reinstated
Posted on 6/18/18 at 7:50 am to LSU Neil
Posted on 6/18/18 at 7:50 am to LSU Neil
quote:
Tampering with the test should be considered a “positive” test...no more, no less...and he should serve punishment for that. Which he did. Plus some. End of story.
What's the incentive to not tamper, if the punishment is the same?
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Posted on 6/18/18 at 7:57 am to moneyg
I can agree with a higher punishment for tampering than a positive drug test. But two years first offense? That is a bit high.
This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 7:58 am
Posted on 6/18/18 at 12:52 pm to catholictigerfan
If you have any question about how ineffective this campaign has been go google "Kristian Fulton". The only search results that are found are from the original articles written on this 5 days ago. Search results from March on are page 1.
I hope this wasn't the entire strategy.
I hope this wasn't the entire strategy.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 2:25 pm to orthogeek
So why is he allowed to run track and not play football? Figured it would be all sports
Posted on 6/18/18 at 2:36 pm to LSUGRAD2008
Fulton doesn't run track....
You're thinking of Kary Vincent
You're thinking of Kary Vincent
Posted on 6/18/18 at 2:48 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
you're absolutely right my bad
Posted on 6/18/18 at 2:49 pm to orthogeek
Bub his only hope is if his lawyers can latch on to the mishandling of the sample by the NCAA....and the mishandling actually happened...and they can prove it.
Without that he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of playing this year.
Without that he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of playing this year.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 3:33 pm to orthogeek
It’s comical how so many of you clowns are willing to twist yourself, not to mention your morals, into pretzels in the hopes that some guy that may or may not even be good can suit up for your favorite sports team.
If this was Dylan Moses or some other Bama player you’d be screaming to the heavens that Saban and the Rec rule the NCAA if he were reinstated.
I’ll help you dumb fricks out. Google “overt act” and kindly STFU about how sweet innnocent Kristian had a change of heart and didn’t REALLY cheat the test
If this was Dylan Moses or some other Bama player you’d be screaming to the heavens that Saban and the Rec rule the NCAA if he were reinstated.
I’ll help you dumb fricks out. Google “overt act” and kindly STFU about how sweet innnocent Kristian had a change of heart and didn’t REALLY cheat the test
This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 6/18/18 at 4:30 pm to orthogeek
That's not how this works.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 4:33 pm to LSUgrad08112
quote:
People have gotten shorter prison sentences for 2nd degree manslaughter with a firearm. N
Fulton isn't getting any jail time over this. What a fricking ridiculous argument.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 5:05 pm to LSUcajun77
I understand what you are saying but he didn’t just “think about doing it”.
If he had poured it out prior to being caught I would agree with you.
If he had poured it out prior to being caught I would agree with you.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 5:10 pm to LSU316
quote:
Bub his only hope is if his lawyers can latch on to the mishandling of the sample by the NCAA....and the mishandling actually happened...and they can prove it.
I don't even understand why they feel like that would help his case. The contents of the sample and the result of the test aren't the issue. The issue is that he poured someone else's urine into the beaker (this in itself is tampering, regardless of whether or not he dumped it out) and the testing official witnessed this act.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 5:37 pm to orthogeek
I wish we put half as much effort into signing a superstar QB as we did campaigning for Fulton’s reinstatement we’d be golden.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 5:45 pm to tigercross
quote:I think their approach, best approach, is to attack it from the angle of the penalty is out of line with what other organizations do and therefore is excessive.
I don't even understand why they feel like that would help his case. The contents of the sample and the result of the test aren't the issue. The issue is that he poured someone else's urine into the beaker (this in itself is tampering, regardless of whether or not he dumped it out) and the testing official witnessed this act.
I understand why it is 2X the penalty for a fail... to discourage tampering, or even an attempt to tamper. But when put in context of the others, it is excessive, by comparison. Then put it in the context of % of playing time, college vs. pros and you have some extra case for saying the word "excessive".
Yes, the rules are clear. One, the penalty for tampering is twice that of a fail. Two, an attempt to tamper is tampering. However, their play is to probably convince a judge that it is excessive and for him to order a rescission. They won't challenge the rule directly, they want a 3rd party (judge, arbiter) to, frankly, feel bad and tell them otherwise.
Challenging the chain of custody is only a way to tug at the judges heartstrings a little, put a chink, however small, in the NCAA's rules-armor and make them look ever so slightly less credible. Any damage to credibility, and the "draconian penalty" looks that much worse... and is likely to sway a judge just enough.
But the goal is to make the rule excessive, by comparison, to a judge and have him rule against the penalty. The NCAA isn't going to back off. Only a judge can make them.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 5:53 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
quote:
I wish we put half as much effort into signing a superstar QB as we did campaigning for Fulton’s reinstatement we’d be golden
Wtf are you talking about? What effort is the LSU football program putting towards Fulton’s reinstatement? This lawyer and appeal is a personal matter, it’s not LSU’s lawyer.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 6:14 pm to LSU316
quote:
Bub his only hope is if his lawyers can latch on to the mishandling of the sample by the NCAA....and the mishandling actually happened...and they can prove it.
Without that he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of playing this year.
Considering the lawyer he has (he taught my Sports Law class), he's gonna milk that so hard at the appeal hearing and it'll probably work and get the sentence remainder vacated on technicalities dude is a REALLY GOOD athlete attorney he's got skill would not bet against him here
Posted on 6/18/18 at 6:14 pm to I20goon
quote:
But the goal is to make the rule excessive, by comparison, to a judge and have him rule against the penalty. The NCAA isn't going to back off. Only a judge can make them.
Even the inside man posting here concedes this won’t be settled in court. Their only prayer is to put public pressure on the NCAA. It isn’t working so far.
VolTiger
Posted on 6/18/18 at 6:15 pm to orthogeek
Looking forward to thought fouls in the NCAA basketball tournament.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:15 pm to tigercross
quote:
I don't even understand why they feel like that would help his case.
Chain of custody is a big deal....it's gotten legit rapists off the hook in the past.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 9:57 pm to TigerLunatik
quote:
IMO, it's pretty simple really. When you were in school and the teacher passed out the tests, if the teacher caught a student with a cheat sheet before the student made a mark on the test, that student would still be punished for cheating on said test the same way if he or she got caught in the middle of the test.
That's fine and good. But it's comparing apples to oranges in this case.
I've seen enough tv shows to know that the "letter of the law" is not a saying because it's catchy. The law has to be exact, all encompassing, and free of loopholes.
While there is no doubt in my mind that he meant to cheat the test, there is also no doubt in my mind that it can be proved he didn't break the law.
Whether or not hes successful the penalty is definitely bullshite.
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