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re: The BCS has been undeniably kind to LSU
Posted on 5/29/11 at 3:05 pm to TigerKB
Posted on 5/29/11 at 3:05 pm to TigerKB
IF the current BCS schools moved to an FCS-style playoff they would probably use the same 16 team format that the FCS uses:
The champions of the largest conferences...
SEC
ACC
Big Ten
Big 12
Pac 12
Big East
MWC
WAC
..plus eight at large teams.
At large teams are chosen pretty much the same way BCS teams are chosen now. Based on who they've played and how well they've played them.
The conference champions are seeded the same way.
Anyone thinking that OOC games would diminish in importance or that the quality of OOC games scheduled would go down isn't thinking clearly.
There is nothing about the game of football that wouldn't be improved by going to FCS-style playoffs.
Playoffs would mean more money, better games, and less controversy.
Period, end of discussion.
The champions of the largest conferences...
SEC
ACC
Big Ten
Big 12
Pac 12
Big East
MWC
WAC
..plus eight at large teams.
At large teams are chosen pretty much the same way BCS teams are chosen now. Based on who they've played and how well they've played them.
The conference champions are seeded the same way.
Anyone thinking that OOC games would diminish in importance or that the quality of OOC games scheduled would go down isn't thinking clearly.
There is nothing about the game of football that wouldn't be improved by going to FCS-style playoffs.
Playoffs would mean more money, better games, and less controversy.
Period, end of discussion.
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Posted on 5/29/11 at 3:10 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
quote:
Period, end of discussion.
Well I guess that settles it then. Why won't they change it? It is all so simple
Posted on 5/29/11 at 4:36 pm to Tiger Khan
quote:
EVERY major sport (except for D1 College Football) decides its champion on the field with a playoff.
I'm pretty sure Auburn's players didn't go 13-0 in games of NCAA Football 11 last year, but actually won games on the field.
Posted on 5/29/11 at 4:44 pm to MOT
quote:
Why won't they change it? It is all so simple
Because the BCS is controlled by the big six conferences, and while fans want a change, the leaders of said conferences make a pretty penny on the current set up so don't want it changed
Posted on 5/29/11 at 5:32 pm to PRK
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So, as LSU fans, can anyone make a legitimate argument against the BCS?no...but what about the AP in 2003? sounded like the BCS had a set of balls and nothing else when it came to it
Posted on 5/29/11 at 5:50 pm to LSUTANGERINE
You mean lsu could have zero national championships? Cus i would say usc would have zero without the ap rt now. But then that wouldnt be true.
You would.still consider lsu the champs in 58 so they would.still have one regardless if they went the playoff route vs the bcs.route. same would hold true.for anyteam before the bcs era.
I believe playoffs would benefit.the bigger programs. Im sorry but.tcu and boise wouldnt run the table in the playoffs. The teams with depth and experience running througb the tougher bcs conferences would always have a leg up in a multiple game format. Teams will always be left out and then the real bitching will insue when two.sec teams are playing for.the title every year.
You would.still consider lsu the champs in 58 so they would.still have one regardless if they went the playoff route vs the bcs.route. same would hold true.for anyteam before the bcs era.
I believe playoffs would benefit.the bigger programs. Im sorry but.tcu and boise wouldnt run the table in the playoffs. The teams with depth and experience running througb the tougher bcs conferences would always have a leg up in a multiple game format. Teams will always be left out and then the real bitching will insue when two.sec teams are playing for.the title every year.
This post was edited on 5/29/11 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 5/29/11 at 6:58 pm to PRK
A playoff allows teams to sandbag on a given game, much like the pros. The BCS means EVERY game is life and death if you want to win it all at the end. I prefer the latter.
Posted on 5/30/11 at 12:27 am to rumtumtiger
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The BCS means EVERY game is life and death if you want to win it all at the end. I prefer the latter.
Ditto. It enhances the atmosphere of every game. Nobody will be sitting their star players come November because they already know they've secured a birth.
If you want respect in the BCS, simply schedule BCS teams. I realize the "join a real conference" argument against Boise is illegitimate because they have to be invited first. But playing a cupcake schedule doesn't earn you the right to run with the big boys. Georgia/VTech is a good start, but not NEARLY enough to garner MNC consideration.
Posted on 5/30/11 at 2:04 am to PRK
quote:
A playoff allows teams to sandbag on a given game, much like the pros. The BCS means EVERY game is life and death if you want to win it all at the end. I prefer the latter.
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Ditto. It enhances the atmosphere of every game. Nobody will be sitting their star players come November because they already know they've secured a birth.
I can't fathom for the life of me how people could remotely believe this would be true in an era when home field advantage means as much as it does.
Especially in a win or go home scenario like the FCS-style playoffs are.
Your chances are much better to advance if you are the home team, especially a team like LSU with the atmosphere that Tiger Stadium provides.
Posted on 5/30/11 at 6:25 am to TigersOfGeauxld
quote:
I can't fathom for the life of me how people could remotely believe this would be true in an era when home field advantage means as much as it does.
First, it depends on how the playoffs are set up. If the bowls are incorporated, then home advantage is mostly meaningless. Second, which is more important: home field or healthy star players for a playoff run. We are talking about the end of the season, not the beginning. Minor injuries loom large in that kind of decision. Third, I thought playoffs, so I'm told by playoff advocates, are the perfect format for determining the best team. What does where you play have to with who is the best team? (I know home field matters...just making a point about imperfection).
Playoffs vs the bowls is a dilemma. Big playoffs require several games. Travel to all the games is expensive and time demanding. Some can do it, and that's great for them, but an awful lot can't. The NFL handles it with home field except for the championship, but they don't have the relationship with the bowl games like college football does.
If you don't incorporate the bowls, the big boys are finished as we know them today because these bowls are set with with the same teams that are in the playoffs. These bowls have been very good for college football for a long time and it's hard for me to see them being dropped so coldly without a certainty that it would make a lot more money. This certainty doesn't exist, so I think the bowls would be incorporated and home field would be meaningless.
Posted on 5/30/11 at 12:14 pm to TigerKB
"In the pros a team that goes 8-8 .500% can get a chance to play for the championship.
.916 =/= .500 "
This entire argument is ridiculous.
1. There are over 120 teams in college football versus 32 in the NFL.
2. Parity in the NFL is FAR greater than college.
3. College plays less games than the NFL.
4. How many cupcakes are on an NFL schedule vs. College football (if you want to argue quality of play and game)...??? (see point 2)
5. Are you honestly trying to argue that the regular season is diminished in NFL because of the playoffs? Despite the fact that teams are battling for playoff spots and positions down to the very last game...? (like Green Bay last year)
A vast majority of College football teams would still need to post a .900+ record (half of which are against cupcakes) to make it into the playoffs anyway.
:)
.916 =/= .500 "
This entire argument is ridiculous.
1. There are over 120 teams in college football versus 32 in the NFL.
2. Parity in the NFL is FAR greater than college.
3. College plays less games than the NFL.
4. How many cupcakes are on an NFL schedule vs. College football (if you want to argue quality of play and game)...??? (see point 2)
5. Are you honestly trying to argue that the regular season is diminished in NFL because of the playoffs? Despite the fact that teams are battling for playoff spots and positions down to the very last game...? (like Green Bay last year)
A vast majority of College football teams would still need to post a .900+ record (half of which are against cupcakes) to make it into the playoffs anyway.
:)
This post was edited on 5/30/11 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 5/30/11 at 12:17 pm to Tiger Khan
And speaking of regular season diminished: The championship game can already be decided with pre-season polls in college football. If the top 2 pre-season teams run the tables - more than likely, they will be in the title game despite possibly 2 or 3 other undefeated teams...making everyone else's season, pointless.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 3:34 pm to Tiger Khan
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And speaking of regular season diminished: The championship game can already be decided with pre-season polls in college football. If the top 2 pre-season teams run the tables - more than likely, they will be in the title game despite possibly 2 or 3 other undefeated teams...making everyone else's season, pointless.
Well said.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 5:04 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
if you want a playoff then the NFL is your thing,
college football in my opinion should always be the bowl/ BCS system. Its good the way it is dont mess it up
college football in my opinion should always be the bowl/ BCS system. Its good the way it is dont mess it up
Posted on 6/2/11 at 5:43 pm to heartbreakTiger
quote:This is something that continues to baffle me. Why do people use the term "playoff" as distinct from the BCS or a plus one? Why can't people realize that the BCS is a playoff, just like the SEC Championship Game is a playoff and the World Series was a playoff before the LCS were ever invented?
a plus one would have settled those things much better than a playoff would have
There is a playoff in college football; it's called the BCS. And no other playoff system is going to be any better or worse than the BCS by virtue of being a "playoff" (because the BCS already is a playoff). The only way any playoff system will be any better than any other playoff system (including the BCS) is by having a better selection process. Which is why I don't care how many teams get in the playoff* as long as there are no freaking voter polls used in the selection.
*okay, that's not entirely true. I think anything more than 8 would really start to devalue the regular season too much, just like basketball and the NFL.
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