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re: The BCS has been undeniably kind to LSU
Posted on 5/29/11 at 12:28 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Posted on 5/29/11 at 12:28 pm to LSUTANGERINE
no they didn't prove shite since the game was hosted in seattle when in a rational world it would have been in nola.
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Posted on 5/29/11 at 12:30 pm to Tigerfan7218
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120 schools
The best argument for a playoff.
This post was edited on 5/29/11 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 5/29/11 at 12:30 pm to Geaux Tahel
except he isn't right since if the playoff made sense the team with the better record would be rewarded instead of the division winner that isn't .500
plus the seahawks won one game and then got stomped out so they didn't really do anything
plus the seahawks won one game and then got stomped out so they didn't really do anything
Posted on 5/29/11 at 12:34 pm to SG_Geaux
I don't think a playoff system is any better.
I agree. USC,OSU,OSU,Texas, ALA, Fla,Aub,ND would still doniate the polls and teams would go back to wimpy out of conference schedules to be in the top 10. Besides, there are more sports writers and sportscasters from USCand the OSU so gues who would always be #1 & 2.
I agree. USC,OSU,OSU,Texas, ALA, Fla,Aub,ND would still doniate the polls and teams would go back to wimpy out of conference schedules to be in the top 10. Besides, there are more sports writers and sportscasters from USCand the OSU so gues who would always be #1 & 2.
Posted on 5/29/11 at 12:39 pm to SoGaFan
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Exactly how is the regular season any more devalued if you are required to win your conference to get into an 8 team playoff?
It's based on the simple common sense proposition that if fewer people are interested in the outcome of a game, then that game is less valuable. A playoff makes lots of people less interested in lots of games. For reasons why see my earlier post in the thread.
Playoffs are considered more valuable because it is assumed that more people would be interested in the outcomes than they are run of the mill bowl games. It's a guess that this increase is a lot greater than the effect on the regular season. This uncertainty is what makes it a risky decision for the deciders.
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ABC didn't renew its BCS contract because it was losing money. I will be very interested to see if ESPN feels like they got a good deal as things stand
You know ABC and ESPN are both controlled by Disney.
Posted on 5/29/11 at 12:42 pm to PRK
...so, PRK ...your reasoning is , that if something/anything "is good for you" regardless if it is not so good or even bad for others - then it must be good - and you can have no legit argument - against what is "good for you" ? Pretty self-centered I would say. Logic FAIL big time. 
Posted on 5/29/11 at 12:42 pm to Indiana Tiger
Should read LSU has been good to the BCS.
Posted on 5/29/11 at 12:46 pm to heartbreakTiger
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except he isn't right since if the playoff made sense the team with the better record would be rewarded instead of the division winner that isn't .500
I am right. SEA was deserving of being in the playoffs. They made it under the rules of the NFL
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plus the seahawks won one game and then got stomped out so they didn't really do anything
If you going to use that line of reasoning, then the Saints did not deserve to be in the playoffs because they did even less than SEA. They won zero playoff games. ANd we all know the saints deserved to be in the playoffs.
Posted on 5/29/11 at 12:54 pm to PRK
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So, as LSU fans, can anyone make a legitimate argument against the BCS?
I can. If FCS-style playoffs would have been in place, LSU might have won additional championships in 2006 and 2010. Certainly the possibility for an All-SEC title game would have been there for several years.
In addition, those championships would have been NCAA championships, not mythical national titles as they are today.
Remember, in FCS-style playoffs, the lower-seeded team travels to the venue of the higher-seeded team. Only the championship game is played at a neutral site.
From a fan standpoint, FCS-style playoffs would give us access to otherwise completely unavailable and/or improbable matchups:
LSU vs Oregon in Tiger Stadium or at Autzen Stadium
LSU vs Ohio State in Tiger Stadium or at Ohio Stadium
LSU vs Florida State in Tiger Stadium or at Doak Campbell Stadium
LSU vs Oklahoma in Tiger Stadium or at Memorial Stadium
Just to name a few. These are possible playoff opponents, in addition to the opponents on the schedule for any given year.
There is nothing the BCS or a limited plus one type playoff could offer that would match the sheer excitement...and the money generated...by switching from the BCS to FCS-style playoffs.
The FCS playoffs have been a huge success, crowning champions with no controversy for many years and generating money for all involved. Any counter arguments that current BCS schools could not only replicate but exceed the success of the smaller schools are ludicrous.
Playoffs please!
Posted on 5/29/11 at 12:56 pm to PRK
After reading all the responses I think it's safe to say that there are negative sides to both the current bcs and any kind of playoff format. And since both systems have flaws, why change from one to the other just for the sake of changing? What if there were some minor changes that could be made to the current bcs system that may have a larger impact overall? For example, only one of the six computer rankings reveals its formula to the public. Last year there was and error in that one public computer ranking that when corrected changed the final bcs rankings. LSU and Boise St. flip flopped at 10 and 11 spots. What if the other 5 computer rankings made similar mistakes in their respective formulas? how much could it have changed the rankings and how many times has this happened over the years? How about making all the computer rankings available to the public? That's a change to the bcs I would like to see made immediately.
Posted on 5/29/11 at 2:07 pm to TigerKB
I find it amusing that people are arguing against AQ's for a playoff yet that's exactly what happens now with the current BCS Bowl system! How is it more fair in 1 scenario vs. the other?
EVERY major sport (except for D1 College Football) decides its champion on the field with a playoff.
I personally find the notion that the regular season would be diminished with a playoff to be utter nonsense. Especially considering the fact that teams would be fighting for seeding against every other undefeated or 1-loss team. You still basically have to run the tables to make the playoffs...
And for those arguing about "deserving" teams getting left out..That happens NOW with UNDEFEATED teams in the BCS Bowl System. It even happens in the NFL (see New England 11-5 in 2008)...
EVERY major sport (except for D1 College Football) decides its champion on the field with a playoff.
I personally find the notion that the regular season would be diminished with a playoff to be utter nonsense. Especially considering the fact that teams would be fighting for seeding against every other undefeated or 1-loss team. You still basically have to run the tables to make the playoffs...
And for those arguing about "deserving" teams getting left out..That happens NOW with UNDEFEATED teams in the BCS Bowl System. It even happens in the NFL (see New England 11-5 in 2008)...
Posted on 5/29/11 at 2:10 pm to KingofthePoint
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The best argument for a playoff.
They already have a playoff... it's called the regular season.
Posted on 5/29/11 at 2:13 pm to Tiger Khan
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I personally find the notion that the regular season would be diminished with a playoff to be utter nonsense
Oh really? The fact that a team which lost as many regular season games as they won still gets into the playoffs and has as much chance to win the superbowl as a team that might go 14-2???
That doesn't diminish the regular season at all? Thats ridiculous
Posted on 5/29/11 at 2:18 pm to Tigerfan7218
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Literally every other sport (including NFL, DI-AA, DII, DII and HS fball) uses a playoff system that is extremely successful
Of all the arguments for a playoff this is the absolute dumbest. Other than being football, can you point out any other similarities between D-1 football and the other 5 you mentioned?
Posted on 5/29/11 at 2:23 pm to SG_Geaux
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I don't think a playoff system is any better.
I don't want to do anything that might diminish the regular season in any way.
It wouldn't In fact, you may see better OOC games. Every other team sport in the known universe has a playoff, except FBS football.
Posted on 5/29/11 at 2:25 pm to Geaux Tahel
In college football you pretty much have to go 11-1 or better to have a chance at the NC... with a very rare exception of LSU in 2007.
11-1 is a .9166666 win %.
In the pros a team that goes 8-8 .500% can get a chance to play for the championship.
.916 =/= .500
how does a playoff system NOT lessen the importance of of each game?
People are bitching about fans leaving Tiger Stadium early... imagine how it would be when each individual game is not as important as it is with the current system.
11-1 is a .9166666 win %.
In the pros a team that goes 8-8 .500% can get a chance to play for the championship.
.916 =/= .500
how does a playoff system NOT lessen the importance of of each game?
People are bitching about fans leaving Tiger Stadium early... imagine how it would be when each individual game is not as important as it is with the current system.
Posted on 5/29/11 at 2:27 pm to Sternocleidomastoid
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If Oklahoma puts the beat down on Kansas St., versus the other way around, in Big 12 Championship in 2003...
FYI...the outcome of that game had nothing to do with who played in the BCS Championship game.
Posted on 5/29/11 at 2:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It wouldn't In fact, you may see better OOC games. Every other team sport in the known universe has a playoff, except FBS football.
I disagree. Since a playoff system would remove most of the "opinion" factor, people wouldn't risk losses by playing tough OOC teams. Once the perception of strength of schedule isn't as important any more, nobody will need to risk it.
Posted on 5/29/11 at 2:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It wouldn't In fact, you may see better OOC games
Depending on the number of teams in a playoff, I would probably disagree with this. Right now if you play a big OOC matchup and get the win it can really give you a huge boost in the polls. If you have the same record as one or two other teams, a huge OOC win may set you apart in minds of voters or in the computers. However, the more teams you allow into a playoff the less likely it is for teams with 1 or no losses to be left out....and thus the less likely it is for teams to take risks OOC. The risk would be greater than the reward.
Posted on 5/29/11 at 2:46 pm to MOT
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The risk would be greater than the reward
I agree with this especially if in a playoff system there are AQ's given to conference champions. If all it takes to make the playoffs is winning your conference, then in a 12 team conference all you have to do is win your division and you get to play in the game that gets you into the playoffs. Under the current SEC schedule setup, the only games that truly matter would be the 5 divisional games and maybe 2 more non-divisional conference games. If a team wins those 7 games then they are guaranteed a spot in the conference champ game and a shot at the playoffs. In that sense, the 4 OOC games are meaningless and 1 potential non-divisional conference game is meaningless as well. Why play another big name OOC game when you can schedule a scrub team and get your freshman some playing time?
This post was edited on 5/29/11 at 2:49 pm
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