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The Balk...Help me understand
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:02 am
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:02 am
I have watched that play over and over. I still don't understand how that happened.
Somehow, everybody but the pitcher got the sign, because the infield was crashing for a bunt attempt.
Been watching baseball for 50+ years, and that was a first for me. Crazy.
Somehow, everybody but the pitcher got the sign, because the infield was crashing for a bunt attempt.
Been watching baseball for 50+ years, and that was a first for me. Crazy.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 8:29 am
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:07 am to mtntiger
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Somehow, everybody but the pitcher got the sign,
He lulled himself to sleep soft tossing to first for 10 minutes....he just didn't get it.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:08 am to mtntiger
From a previous thread
“The pitcher wasn’t trying to pick off Beloso.
Paul said that we had the safety squeeze bunt call on. Oregon was basically trying to act like the first baseman was going to be back at the base so easy to bunt against. Paul figured they were up to something so he took off the bunt call.
Good thing because the first baseman was crashing home on that last “pick off attempt” but pitcher should have pitched that one.
It was all a cat and mouse game to make us think that it would be easy to bunt yet they were going to crash the first baseman to home for it.
The games within the game.
Glad worked out for us.”
“The pitcher wasn’t trying to pick off Beloso.
Paul said that we had the safety squeeze bunt call on. Oregon was basically trying to act like the first baseman was going to be back at the base so easy to bunt against. Paul figured they were up to something so he took off the bunt call.
Good thing because the first baseman was crashing home on that last “pick off attempt” but pitcher should have pitched that one.
It was all a cat and mouse game to make us think that it would be easy to bunt yet they were going to crash the first baseman to home for it.
The games within the game.
Glad worked out for us.”
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:24 am to Gorilla Ball
It looks like the pitcher botched the 1st and 3rd signal.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:35 am to mtntiger
Oregon's catcher threw his hands up as if thier was some confusion with the sign, maybe he was deliberately acting confused but the dozen consecutive pickoff attempts in a high stake situation did not do OU any favors. At some point you need to let your team play pitch and catch and get back to the fundamentals. The overkill killed thier season.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:38 am to mtntiger
to add to this, what made it an actual balk? His first move was to first base and he did throw it there. Was it the slight hesitation? or his foot coming down?
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:40 am to NS Who Dat Nation
The movement of the first basement was the balk. You can’t do that to the runner. At least that was my understanding. The catcher can balk as well.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 8:41 am
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:41 am to colbyjackcheese
brain fart, pure and simple. Oregon tried to get too cute instead of just playing baseball. I never understand the extended lazy throws to first base unless the pitcher is trying to give the bull pin time to warm up. If you are not really trying to pick the guy off, the risk of a balk is to much in that instance. Obviously they did not bring anyone in, so they needed to just let the kid pitch his game.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:41 am to scottfruget
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The movement of the first basement was the balk. You can’t do that to the runner. At least that was my understanding. The catcher can balk as well.
ahhhh I see now. Thank you.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:43 am to NS Who Dat Nation
Someone will correct me soon so maybe we shall both see! Lol that was just my understanding of what happened. Because he did actually throw the ball to the first basemen.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:46 am to NS Who Dat Nation
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to add to this, what made it an actual balk? His first move was to first base and he did throw it there. Was it the slight hesitation? or his foot coming down
A few years back the rule was changed that let the pitcher face a throw. Remember the 5-3 (53) fake? Pitcher steps off of the rubber, fakes a throw to third and the wheels around and throws to first to try to get that guy napping. It’s been outlawed for whatever reason. Simple answer is: you fake a throw and it’s a balk.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:47 am to NS Who Dat Nation
The pitcher shall be charged with a balk if, while in contact with the rubber, he throws to a fielder who is either in front of or behind first or third base and obviously not making an attempt at retiring the runner at that base. However, there is no violation if the pitcher throws the ball directly to first or third base in this situation. In this situation, the pitcher didn't throw to the base, because the first baseman was charging. He threw to the charging first baseman, while the pitcher's foot was on the rubber. That was the balk.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:48 am to scottfruget
The pitcher didnt throw it to the base... he threw it to the first baseman who was 1/4 of the way down the line
He has to throw it to first base
He has to throw it to first base
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:50 am to scottfruget
From my understanding, the fielder has to be attempting to hold the runner at the base. The move the pitcher made was legal but with his foot on the rubber, the first baseman has to be on the bag. Goofy play, and looked like Oregon was trying to out think the room. The runner hasn’t stolen a base all year I don’t think.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:51 am to NS Who Dat Nation
quote:
what made it an actual balk?
[quote]According to Rule 6.02(a) of the Official Baseball Rules, a pitcher must throw a pickoff attempt "directly" to the base. If he doesn't, it's a balk — a rule designed to keep pitchers from deceiving baserunners.
"The pitcher shall be charged with a balk if, while in contact with the rubber, he throws to a fielder who is either in front of or behind first or third base and obviously not making an attempt at retiring the runner at that base," the rule states./quote]
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:52 am to Double Down
If pitcher does not step off of pitching rubber and makes a pickoff attempt then he MUST throw to an occupied base. He cannot fake a pick off attempt and throw to just anyone. When the first baseman crashed the plate he left first base unoccupied so when the pitcher threw to him it was a balk.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:52 am to NS Who Dat Nation
quote:He didn’t throw it to the base. He threw it to the first baseman who was no longer there.
what made it an actual balk? His first move was to first base and he did throw it there.
quote:The act of him crashing isn’t a balk.
The movement of the first basement was the balk. You can’t do that to the runner.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:52 am to mtntiger
The 1st baseman must be on 1st base when the ball is thrown to him. He wasn't. He was crashing in to field the expected bunt. I felt we had that pitched psyched out when he kept throwing to 1st while the runner was standing on it.
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:53 am to jdaute2
quote:The sequence of events had nothing to do with the runner on first.
The runner hasn’t stolen a base all year I don’t think.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 8:54 am
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:56 am to colbyjackcheese
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Oregon's catcher threw his hands up
I wondered if he was trying to call time
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At some point you need to let your team play pitch and catch and get back to the fundamentals.
Typical west coast ball
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