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Teams That Scored 30+ on Bama Since '08 (Long)
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:48 pm
Bama's 2018 O is one of the most talented personnel wise in the history of CFB. And yet, we held them to under 30 pts. If we had any sort of competence at OC, we could have won that game. Read on . . .
2018 Arkansas 31
2016 Arkansas 30
2016 Ole Miss 43 Kelly
2016 Clemson 35 Watson
2015 Ole Miss 43 Kelly
2015 Clemson 40 Watson
2014 Auburn 44 Marshall
2014 tOSU 42
2013 A&M 42 Manziel
2013 Auburn 34 Marshall
2013 OU 45 Knight
2010 USC 35 Garcia
2008 UGA 30 Stafford
2008 UF 31 Tebow
2008 Utah 31
'08 and on, 14 teams have scored 30+ pts on Bama. Some occurred in blowouts (Ark '16). Some had "equalizers" (Watson, Manziel); but not all. Of them probably only UF '08 had more star power than Bama. Most had a level of talent comparable to (or less than) what we lined-up with last Saturday.
For example, here's who OM lined-up with on OL vs Bama in '15 at Tuscaloosa. They scored 43 pts. Recall that Tunsil was suspended.
LT - Fahn Cooper 4* Sr. JUCO Tr via Bowling Green
LG - Javon Patterson 4* Tr Fr
C - Robert Conyers 3* 4Y Jr
RG - Justin Bell 3* 5Y Sr
RT- Sean Rawlings 3* RS-Fr
Side notes:
- In 2010, we scored 21 pts vs Bama in the 2nd half alone. Crowton told JJ at half-time that we would open the offense up in the 2nd half. That was the last time we broke 20 vs Bama.
- Cam Cameron looked at Chad Kelly as a prospect but decided to roll with AJ and Brandon instead.
2018 Arkansas 31
2016 Arkansas 30
2016 Ole Miss 43 Kelly
2016 Clemson 35 Watson
2015 Ole Miss 43 Kelly
2015 Clemson 40 Watson
2014 Auburn 44 Marshall
2014 tOSU 42
2013 A&M 42 Manziel
2013 Auburn 34 Marshall
2013 OU 45 Knight
2010 USC 35 Garcia
2008 UGA 30 Stafford
2008 UF 31 Tebow
2008 Utah 31
'08 and on, 14 teams have scored 30+ pts on Bama. Some occurred in blowouts (Ark '16). Some had "equalizers" (Watson, Manziel); but not all. Of them probably only UF '08 had more star power than Bama. Most had a level of talent comparable to (or less than) what we lined-up with last Saturday.
For example, here's who OM lined-up with on OL vs Bama in '15 at Tuscaloosa. They scored 43 pts. Recall that Tunsil was suspended.
LT - Fahn Cooper 4* Sr. JUCO Tr via Bowling Green
LG - Javon Patterson 4* Tr Fr
C - Robert Conyers 3* 4Y Jr
RG - Justin Bell 3* 5Y Sr
RT- Sean Rawlings 3* RS-Fr
Side notes:
- In 2010, we scored 21 pts vs Bama in the 2nd half alone. Crowton told JJ at half-time that we would open the offense up in the 2nd half. That was the last time we broke 20 vs Bama.
- Cam Cameron looked at Chad Kelly as a prospect but decided to roll with AJ and Brandon instead.
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Posted on 11/7/18 at 10:59 pm to AlwysATgr
I agree that scheming is the problem, but if the oline still plays like crap it doesn't matter
This post was edited on 11/7/18 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:29 pm to AlwysATgr
Now consider the fact Bama played Up for this game... knowing it was the most important game of the regular season... they knew they weren't playing scrubs who they could put they game away in the first half and never look back, and played 100% all game long... for the first time all season
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:33 pm to AlwysATgr
This is very good info., AlwysATgr, thank you. This really helps me drive home my point.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:38 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:
For example, here's who OM lined-up with on OL vs Bama in '15 at Tuscaloosa. They scored 43 pts.
That game isn't really a good example. Bama had 5 turnovers so 3 of OM TD drives were under 31 yds. One long TD drive was 2 plays 87 yards with an underthrown TD pass off the defenders helmet. Bama just flat out blew that game
Posted on 11/7/18 at 11:54 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:
2018 Arkansas 31
2016 Arkansas 30
2016 Ole Miss 43 Kelly
2016 Clemson 35 Watson
2015 Ole Miss 43 Kelly
2015 Clemson 40 Watson
2014 Auburn 44 Marshall
2014 tOSU 42
2013 A&M 42 Manziel
2013 Auburn 34 Marshall
2013 OU 45 Knight
2010 USC 35 Garcia
2008 UGA 30 Stafford
2008 UF 31 Tebow
2008 Utah 31
And what do those teams have in common? Elite QB play with up tempo offenses who get the ball to their receivers really quick. Only a few exceptions, obviously the Arkansas teams, those were blowouts, and USCe but they had a pretty good team that year and arguably a pretty good QB
Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:04 am to AlwysATgr
quote:
we held them to under 30 pts
A team that scores 30 points against an opposing team is “holding” them? Yeah, nah.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 12:12 am to AlwysATgr
From a guy who has been trying to post more statistical evidence of just how poor this offense is, I sincerely thank you for your contribution.
So now we know
1) this year is the worst year for the majority of the statistics on offense, and ;
2)our kicker has put up more points than our QB even when crediting the QB with ALL touchdows by receivers.
The offense is quite horrific, but even knowing that I don't want to fire O...yet. seriously if he got this team to the top 10 with this schedule he's doing something right. His glaring failure is the offense (sound familiar). I think he has one last shot to fix this or he's out. If he doesn't get someone to modernize this offesnse by next year he won't make it to 2020.
So now we know
1) this year is the worst year for the majority of the statistics on offense, and ;
2)our kicker has put up more points than our QB even when crediting the QB with ALL touchdows by receivers.
The offense is quite horrific, but even knowing that I don't want to fire O...yet. seriously if he got this team to the top 10 with this schedule he's doing something right. His glaring failure is the offense (sound familiar). I think he has one last shot to fix this or he's out. If he doesn't get someone to modernize this offesnse by next year he won't make it to 2020.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 8:08 am to Tiger Tracker
Takes a dynamic qb to beat Bama - Tebow, Newton, Watson, Manziel. Burrow is a good qb and a major upgrade to what we’ve had but nowhere in those guys league.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 8:15 am to AlwysATgr
So it has happened roughly 1.5 times a season. Great job.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 9:55 am to weadjust
quote:
That game isn't really a good example. Bama had 5 turnovers so 3 of OM TD drives were under 31 yds. One long TD drive was 2 plays 87 yards with an underthrown TD pass off the defenders helmet. Bama just flat out blew that game
Would have to confirm but I think OM had 400+ yes on O.
They also did it again in'16. With a QB we rejected.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 10:02 am to sta4ever
quote:Define elite? Watson and Stafford are the only “elite” ones on that list and Stafford is the only pocket QB.
And what do those teams have in common? Elite QB play with up tempo offenses who get the ball to their receivers really quick. Only a few exceptions, obviously the Arkansas teams, those were blowouts, and USCe but they had a pretty good team that year and arguably a pretty good QB
This is about offensive philosophy and play calling. Kingsbury is an elite OC and could take this offense to a level which has never been seen here. There is zero doubt. The funny thing is he would do it in 1 year.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 10:02 am to sta4ever
quote:
And what do those teams have in common? Elite QB play with up tempo offenses who get the ball to their receivers really quick.
Exactly. How many of these teams have OLines that match up against Bama D? Realistically, no one has that kind of team and if they did, they'd be Bama.
The OCs of these teams understand that they need to scheme quick ball movement to their skill players and spread the field, not 5 second dropbacks and play action every down.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 10:02 am to KyrieElaison
quote:
Takes a dynamic qb to beat Bama - Tebow, Newton, Watson, Manziel. Burrow is a good qb and a major upgrade to what we’ve had but nowhere in those guys league.
As I noted in the OP, some who had success did have an "equalizer" at QB. But Nick Marshall was a DB transfer from UGA. Trevor Knight was not elite. And as I pointed out we scored 21 pts in one half with Jordan Jefferson when Les actually let the OC free.
It's not some huge talent disparity between our OL and their DL thay paralyzes us.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 10:02 am to Tiger Tracker
quote:
If he doesn't get someone to modernize this offesnse by next year he won't make it to 2020.
Do you really believe that he will move SE out? I do not. Go after Freeze or Briles for the love of God...
Posted on 11/8/18 at 10:12 am to AlwysATgr
2014 Ole Miss beat Alabama 23-17 with Bo Wallace at QB.
All you have to do to win a game is score more points than the other guy.
All you have to do to win a game is score more points than the other guy.
This post was edited on 11/8/18 at 10:15 am
Posted on 11/8/18 at 10:20 am to Tiger1988
quote:
Define elite? Watson and Stafford are the only “elite” ones on that list and Stafford is the only pocket QB. This is about offensive philosophy and play calling. Kingsbury is an elite OC and could take this offense to a level which has never been seen here. There is zero doubt. The funny thing is he would do it in 1 year.
Watson, Stafford, Manziel, Tebow, Knight, and Kelly was a pretty good QB in college. All better than what we have had since Mettenberger
Posted on 11/8/18 at 10:27 am to AlwysATgr
quote:
But Nick Marshall was a DB transfer from UGA.
Marshall was a high school QB and did play DB at UGA and really wanted to play QB. He got beat out, then transferred to AU where he was a perfect fit. That guy was dynamic yet his arm was pretty mediocre and he still was successful in that scheme, which continues to be LSU's problem. When Saban changes and others don't I wonder who remains and/or becomes more successful....
This post was edited on 11/8/18 at 10:30 am
Posted on 11/8/18 at 10:32 am to Tiger1988
Bingo!
Hire cliff kingsbury as lsu's next head coach. I approve 1000 percent.
Hire cliff kingsbury as lsu's next head coach. I approve 1000 percent.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 10:39 am to AlwysATgr
What was our star power Saturday night and what was Bama's when we had the ball? Hint, it wasn't close.
Even when our D was on the field we were behind, but it was close.
Talent, and strategy both matter.
We didn't hold Bama down. We didn't turn it over til late deep on their end and they ran the ball more. They let the air out the ball somewhat and for the most part went vanilla, but when needed they dialed up something (remember the TE screen?)
Even when our D was on the field we were behind, but it was close.
Talent, and strategy both matter.
We didn't hold Bama down. We didn't turn it over til late deep on their end and they ran the ball more. They let the air out the ball somewhat and for the most part went vanilla, but when needed they dialed up something (remember the TE screen?)
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