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re: Teachers losing jobs and coaches getting raises??????????
Posted on 1/23/10 at 6:56 am to Mudminnow
Posted on 1/23/10 at 6:56 am to Mudminnow
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I dont know off hand but the Dean Kevin Carman said biological sciences will be hit very hard by the possible cuts in July.
Pomarico is in the advocate story today, and admits to getting the slip. Damn, he's been there for a long time (at least 10 years), which means that almost all the instructors could be gone.
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Posted on 1/23/10 at 9:49 am to titmouse
LSU sent out 219 notices Friday telling instructors they will not have jobs come 2011, LSU spokesman Herb Vincent said.
In the coming weeks, that number will grow to 354 full-time instructors and 130 part-time instructors, bringing the total eventually to 484 faculty, Vincent said.
The first 219 faculty legally required a full 12-months notice, he said, based on their years of LSU employment.
About $43 million has been cut from LSU’s main campus during the past 13 months, including more than $12 million this month. Overall, higher education statewide was sliced nearly $250 million during the same time primarily because of declining state revenue.
Although the letters sent to faculty state “your employment will end” in January 2011, many of the terminations could be withdrawn depending on the severity of additional budget cuts this summer. Also, some of those let go could be rehired at less cost with reduced teaching duties.
LSU has about 1,300 tenured and nontenured faculty and 3,800 staff members. LSU staff can be laid off with much less notice, often about 30 days.
....Steven Pomarico, an LSU biology instructor slated to get a letter, said laying off many instructors who teach core undergraduate classes of 100 students or more will put a huge strain on the university.
Doing so will force more research faculty to take on additional teaching duties, thus hurting LSU’s research strengths and cutting down on the grants and revenue coming into the school, he said.
Also, fewer instructors means students will take longer to graduate, Pomarico said.
“You can’t not teach introductory biology. That’s a nonpossibility,” Pomarico said earlier this week. “It’s a money saver to cut me, but it costs the university.”
In a prepared statement Friday, LSU Chancellor Michael Martin said the “budget cuts to LSU leave us no choice.”
In the coming weeks, that number will grow to 354 full-time instructors and 130 part-time instructors, bringing the total eventually to 484 faculty, Vincent said.
The first 219 faculty legally required a full 12-months notice, he said, based on their years of LSU employment.
About $43 million has been cut from LSU’s main campus during the past 13 months, including more than $12 million this month. Overall, higher education statewide was sliced nearly $250 million during the same time primarily because of declining state revenue.
Although the letters sent to faculty state “your employment will end” in January 2011, many of the terminations could be withdrawn depending on the severity of additional budget cuts this summer. Also, some of those let go could be rehired at less cost with reduced teaching duties.
LSU has about 1,300 tenured and nontenured faculty and 3,800 staff members. LSU staff can be laid off with much less notice, often about 30 days.
....Steven Pomarico, an LSU biology instructor slated to get a letter, said laying off many instructors who teach core undergraduate classes of 100 students or more will put a huge strain on the university.
Doing so will force more research faculty to take on additional teaching duties, thus hurting LSU’s research strengths and cutting down on the grants and revenue coming into the school, he said.
Also, fewer instructors means students will take longer to graduate, Pomarico said.
“You can’t not teach introductory biology. That’s a nonpossibility,” Pomarico said earlier this week. “It’s a money saver to cut me, but it costs the university.”
In a prepared statement Friday, LSU Chancellor Michael Martin said the “budget cuts to LSU leave us no choice.”
Posted on 1/23/10 at 10:16 am to Bassman
It is beyond ridiculous to suggest that LSU athletics can be detached from its university or that it could be self-sustaining without the larger institution.
Coaches getting raises while professors getting sacked is an atrocity that wouldn't be tolerated in most other states.
Coaches getting raises while professors getting sacked is an atrocity that wouldn't be tolerated in most other states.
Posted on 1/23/10 at 10:18 am to JJ27
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300-400 instructors getting let go and Brick gets a raise? Worst year in a long time by our DL and he gets a raise. WOW
Brick should, well, hit the bricks! Our DL was horrible this year.
Posted on 1/23/10 at 10:22 am to Rex
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It is beyond ridiculous to suggest that LSU athletics can be detached from its university or that it could be self-sustaining without the larger institution.
Coaches getting raises while professors getting sacked is an atrocity that wouldn't be tolerated in most other states.
This, but unfortunately it would be tolerated in most states with major athletics programs. How can any sane person say the athletic department is "separate from the university?"
Posted on 1/23/10 at 10:37 am to Rex
The base salaries are covered by LSU. But with the millions it gives back to the university its a wash. What about all the royalties from merchandise sales, all goes back to LSU.
If athletics was attached to the university could you imagine the cuts that would be made?
The issue here is governor and legislatures and the future of LSU.
How many universities are laying off 1/3 of its instructors? ......LSU is making national headlines in New York Times, San Francisco chronicle, Seattle Times, etc... and its for all the wrong reasons.
You simply cannot make LSU a community college.
If athletics was attached to the university could you imagine the cuts that would be made?
The issue here is governor and legislatures and the future of LSU.
How many universities are laying off 1/3 of its instructors? ......LSU is making national headlines in New York Times, San Francisco chronicle, Seattle Times, etc... and its for all the wrong reasons.
You simply cannot make LSU a community college.
Posted on 1/23/10 at 10:37 am to Raymanz
Pay is based on your value, not your position. It's called Democracy, not Socialism (at least until Obama has more influence). When a teacher brings in millions to a university, then the teacher will be paid more than the coach.
Posted on 1/23/10 at 10:44 am to Peachtree Tiger
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When a teacher brings in millions to a university, then the teacher will be paid more than the coach.
Many do in the form of research grants. Some have already said they will be leaving LSU if they are required to teach more courses which would adversely affect their research.
These are your money makers for LSU and they employ many Research Associates and grad students on grants.
Posted on 1/23/10 at 12:32 pm to Raymanz
First, Louisiana is one of few, if not only state where the legislature controls tuition at state colleges and universities. Tuition increases are not the complete answer, but it's a start.
Second, while the Governor certainly didn't create the problem, the only thing he is doing to resolve the problem is cut, cut, cut. It's doesn't take a genius to do that.
Third, if the Legislature wanted to solve higher education funding problems, they could take some initiative as well, but they won't and don't. So, they are even worse than Jindal. At least Jindal is being fiscally responsible.
Finally, the Athletic program funds itself. That's great. I just hate rewarding coaches for average performance. Miles is being paid based on winning a championship in 07. That's fine, but since then the team's performance, for many reasons, has not shown up in the won-loss column. No need to give a raise for that statistic.
Chavis was given a raise to "stay" here at LSU. It was a bidding contest, basically, with Georgia.
As for extending everyone's contracts, guaranteeing future payoffs if fired doesn't make sense based on performance.
It is what it is, and that's what the majority with the power wants. In education as well as in athletics, power makes the decisions, and power says lay off instructors and give coaches a raise and extend their contracts.
The two, technically, are not mutually exclusive. Dollars vote. And the dollar votes go to coaching.
Second, while the Governor certainly didn't create the problem, the only thing he is doing to resolve the problem is cut, cut, cut. It's doesn't take a genius to do that.
Third, if the Legislature wanted to solve higher education funding problems, they could take some initiative as well, but they won't and don't. So, they are even worse than Jindal. At least Jindal is being fiscally responsible.
Finally, the Athletic program funds itself. That's great. I just hate rewarding coaches for average performance. Miles is being paid based on winning a championship in 07. That's fine, but since then the team's performance, for many reasons, has not shown up in the won-loss column. No need to give a raise for that statistic.
Chavis was given a raise to "stay" here at LSU. It was a bidding contest, basically, with Georgia.
As for extending everyone's contracts, guaranteeing future payoffs if fired doesn't make sense based on performance.
It is what it is, and that's what the majority with the power wants. In education as well as in athletics, power makes the decisions, and power says lay off instructors and give coaches a raise and extend their contracts.
The two, technically, are not mutually exclusive. Dollars vote. And the dollar votes go to coaching.
This post was edited on 1/23/10 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 1/23/10 at 12:46 pm to Terry the Tiger
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Many of my professors at LSU tought a single 3-hour course and had only a couple of hours a week that they were available in their offices.
You do realize they also do something called "research," right? Without this "research," LSU would not be a "research-one university."
Let me put it to you in simple terms:
Without research faculty, LSU is NOT the flagship university of the state. Therefore, LSU football is NOT that big of a deal, because the university does not represent the state.
No research, no LSU football (as we know it).
That said, the funding for athletics and academics IS separate. However, I think somebody said it best when they said giving coaches a raise after a mediocre year when the rest of the University is facing cuts just looks bad, politically.
Posted on 1/23/10 at 1:22 pm to Raymanz
There are many other issues regarding the budget cuts and education that could be addressed first, and it would have a much more significant impact on the state of education in LA than giving raises to coaches do.
Posted on 1/23/10 at 1:37 pm to mrbayoublu
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First, Louisiana is one of few, if not only state where the legislature controls tuition at state colleges and universities. Tuition increases are not the complete answer, but it's a start.
Exactly. LSU should NOT have to go to the legislature in order to raise tuition which, when compared to other major public universities, is rather low.
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Third, if the Legislature wanted to solve higher education funding problems, they could take some initiative as well, but they won't and don't. So, they are even worse than Jindal. At least Jindal is being fiscally responsible.
Amen! It was the meddling of an Alexandria-area state rep that got LSU-A converted to a four year school. None of those bozos in the legislature will make any hard choices.
This post was edited on 1/23/10 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 1/23/10 at 1:54 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Many do in the form of research grants. Some have already said they will be leaving LSU if they are required to teach more courses which would adversely affect their research.
GOOD POINT
Posted on 1/23/10 at 2:36 pm to Rex
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It is beyond ridiculous to suggest that LSU athletics can be detached from its university or that it could be self-sustaining without the larger institution.
Coaches getting raises while professors getting sacked is an atrocity that wouldn't be tolerated in most other states.
I think it's ridiculous that people think that that a permanent funding source for postsecondary education sustainability should come from the profitability of a football program. Something in which success can be unpredictable and the profitability may not always be there.
I hear people clamoring for athletics to give more money to the university. As people have mentioned, no other university's athletic program receives no public funding AND still gives money back to the university.
Additionally, if all states (and subsequently higher education) are facing budget cuts, why is it that the majority of them aren't having to lay off a third of their instructors and can still field athletic programs, when those athletic programs either take public funding and give no money to (or lose money for) the university?
Seems to me that there are other inherent problems within the LA educational system: Low tuition, too many post-secondary public institutions, constitutional protection to other areas of the state budget, and I'm sure there are many more.
Posted on 1/23/10 at 3:25 pm to Raymanz
Not sure what teachers you refer to but in any case it has nothing to do with the LSU coaches. Teachers are either paid by tax payers or by private entities. The LSU coaches are paid from the Athletic department fund just as many other BCS programs do. One has nothing to do with the other.
Posted on 1/23/10 at 3:28 pm to Raymanz
politicians get raises while 17% of the population are jobless 
Posted on 1/23/10 at 4:38 pm to mrbayoublu
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Second, while the Governor certainly didn't create the problem, the only thing he is doing to resolve the problem is cut, cut, cut. It's doesn't take a genius to do that.
Good post but I thought this part needed to be addressed.
(1) In 2002, Louisiana passed the Stelly tax to fund LSU and higher education. Jindal repealed the Stelly tax in 2008.
(2) Jindal granted the wealthiest a tax break. That caused 359M less, contributing to the revenue hole.
(3) Louisiana has 172M in rainy day funds to use this fiscal year and Jindal refuses to use them.
(4) Now's he asking the federal govt for a waiver to cut education even more.
Posted on 1/23/10 at 5:44 pm to Mudminnow
This sends a terrible message that athletics are more important than academics period. Like I said earlier, it will end up hurting the student athlete in the future. It will hurt recruiting!
Posted on 1/23/10 at 5:51 pm to Raymanz
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This sends a terrible message that athletics are more important than academics period.
Maybe the university itself needs to seek more private funding?????
Posted on 1/23/10 at 5:54 pm to titmouse
yeah no crap. i had pamarico around 2001-2002. i thought he was a great instructor. heck i thought he was professor.
this will hurt the research for sure. this will then add more responsibilities on ga's to teach introductory level courses.
this will hurt the research for sure. this will then add more responsibilities on ga's to teach introductory level courses.
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