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re: Teachers losing jobs and coaches getting raises??????????
Posted on 1/21/10 at 8:13 pm to Mudminnow
Posted on 1/21/10 at 8:13 pm to Mudminnow
Chancellor Martin explains LSU's position on the salaries and the fiscal relationship between the athletics department and the University.
Dear Editor,
LSU is certainly sensitive to the current budget situation affecting higher education and the apparent dichotomy created by the salaries awarded to coaches of its athletic teams. Yet it is important to note that no monies used for LSU Athletics come from state tax dollars. In fact, the LSU Athletic Department annually assists financially with the mission of the University by contributing to academic programs and campus maintenance. The Athletic Department provides more than $2 million in recurring annual transfers to the University as well as assistance with special projects such as $4.5 million for a new band hall and $1 million to assist with the construction of a new Business School.
According to a study by USA Today, LSU is one of only two universities in the nation that uses no state financial support to fund its athletics program. LSU Athletics would not have this kind of success, and be able to contribute to the academic mission of the University, without paying competitive salaries to hire and retain the best coaches in the country. It is not a coincidence that the last five national champions in football have one thing in common: coaches that are among the highest compensated in the nation. And the investment in facility improvements over the last decade is another common denominator among ultra-successful programs.
Hiring and retaining the best coaches enables LSU to sustain success throughout its athletics program. That sustained athletic success has garnered passionate fan support, enabling LSU to maintain a self-funded athletics program. To reduce our investment in top-tier coaches would result in less success, fewer fans, reduced revenue and fewer financial transfers to the University. The University invests zero tax dollars into Athletics and gets millions in return, a positive and productive outcome for LSU.
It is truly regrettable that we are having discussions about eliminating jobs on the LSU campus as we continue to grapple with budgets cuts to higher education. But LSU Athletics has shown us the recipe for excellence – invest in human and physical resources. If only the University was afforded the necessary funds to invest in more premier researchers, adequately fund our instructor workforce and improve campus facilities at the rate that athletic programs across the South have done, LSU could achieve the sustained academic success it enjoys in the athletic arena.
Michael Martin
Chancellor, LSU
Dear Editor,
LSU is certainly sensitive to the current budget situation affecting higher education and the apparent dichotomy created by the salaries awarded to coaches of its athletic teams. Yet it is important to note that no monies used for LSU Athletics come from state tax dollars. In fact, the LSU Athletic Department annually assists financially with the mission of the University by contributing to academic programs and campus maintenance. The Athletic Department provides more than $2 million in recurring annual transfers to the University as well as assistance with special projects such as $4.5 million for a new band hall and $1 million to assist with the construction of a new Business School.
According to a study by USA Today, LSU is one of only two universities in the nation that uses no state financial support to fund its athletics program. LSU Athletics would not have this kind of success, and be able to contribute to the academic mission of the University, without paying competitive salaries to hire and retain the best coaches in the country. It is not a coincidence that the last five national champions in football have one thing in common: coaches that are among the highest compensated in the nation. And the investment in facility improvements over the last decade is another common denominator among ultra-successful programs.
Hiring and retaining the best coaches enables LSU to sustain success throughout its athletics program. That sustained athletic success has garnered passionate fan support, enabling LSU to maintain a self-funded athletics program. To reduce our investment in top-tier coaches would result in less success, fewer fans, reduced revenue and fewer financial transfers to the University. The University invests zero tax dollars into Athletics and gets millions in return, a positive and productive outcome for LSU.
It is truly regrettable that we are having discussions about eliminating jobs on the LSU campus as we continue to grapple with budgets cuts to higher education. But LSU Athletics has shown us the recipe for excellence – invest in human and physical resources. If only the University was afforded the necessary funds to invest in more premier researchers, adequately fund our instructor workforce and improve campus facilities at the rate that athletic programs across the South have done, LSU could achieve the sustained academic success it enjoys in the athletic arena.
Michael Martin
Chancellor, LSU
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Posted on 1/21/10 at 8:30 pm to Paul Greengrass
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Most people know the football program is self-sustaining but, it doesn't change the fact that politically it looks bad that you have employee's who preside over mediocrity getting raises and those possibly doing very well at their jobs potentially losing their income.
The state of education in the State is not very good. Does that reflect on the administration or the individual teachers or professors in the classroom. Possibly doing well is a beg if. What is your standard for judging the competency of the instructors. Athletics pays it's own way. One of two universities in the US that takes no tax money for athletics......Looks like some people are hunting anything to be critical.
Posted on 1/21/10 at 8:33 pm to Raymanz
This is stupid because most of the instructors in anything worth a damn(people in fields with big time research money) probably won't get let go. They will probably let go alot of people in the arts. I can only think of a few instructors in the sciences and there is no way they will let them all go.
This is stupid. Is the money even coming from the state or is it the athletic department. Seems like to separate pots of money.
This is stupid. Is the money even coming from the state or is it the athletic department. Seems like to separate pots of money.
Posted on 1/21/10 at 8:40 pm to lsutiger2486
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They will probably let go alot of people in the arts. I can only think of a few instructors in the sciences and there is no way they will let them all go.
no, its all non tenured faculty, regardless of department.
Biological sciences will be one of the hardest hit. There will be nobody to teach the intro biology courses. As a result tenured faculty will be required to teach many more classes.
Tenured faculty bring in millions of research dollars. Some have already said they will leave the university because this means they will have little or no time to conduct research/ publication/write grants because they'll be teaching 4-5 classes instead of the usual 1-2.
Posted on 1/21/10 at 8:42 pm to Klaus
You said we're overpaid, so back it up, tough guy. How much are we overpaid by? You have no idea what we make, do you? Get your tongue out of Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity's arse for a few minutes and actually find out some facts and think for yourself like a grown man. Now tell me, if you in fact have the balls to actually argue with someone intelligent, what do you think a college professor makes, and what what should a person with the qualifications I listed make? If you have to look it up, or if you want to respond with more rantard b.s. and emoticons, then you are 100% completely full of shite.
This post was edited on 1/21/10 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 1/21/10 at 8:48 pm to lsutiger2486
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his is stupid because most of the instructors in anything worth a damn(people in fields with big time research money)
Please enlighten us by reminding us which things in life are worth a damn and which are not , since you speak for everyone in the working world. I'm assuming that everyone on this board who doesn't work in one of these fields is just bullshitting through life?
This post was edited on 1/21/10 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 1/22/10 at 12:25 am to Raymanz
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Where is $300,000 of Les' salary coming from.....tax money!
Are you factoring in the annual donation that the Ath Dept gives to the university is likely greater than what the university itself pays to football coaches, or darn close (changes each year).
Also, what sells more shirts (the proceeds of which go to the university) Les winning football games or research grants? You have to seperate market value and ideal value.
Posted on 1/22/10 at 12:27 am to mceuph
WTF are professors not in big research fields doing all day? I just don't see the similarities between science research which brings in gigantic money with patents and something like english.
I'm the sciences I would assume you will see most of the big time professors with graduate students or post docs helping a lot with their classes.
I also thought they could let them all go not that they would.
I fail to understand how a professor in something other than the sciences would be way too busy to teach. That is what I meant by things that worth a damn. I am talking patent type money.
I'm the sciences I would assume you will see most of the big time professors with graduate students or post docs helping a lot with their classes.
I also thought they could let them all go not that they would.
I fail to understand how a professor in something other than the sciences would be way too busy to teach. That is what I meant by things that worth a damn. I am talking patent type money.
Posted on 1/22/10 at 7:18 am to lsutiger2486
English professors do research too, as most fields and its grant funded too. Just not nearly as big or well funded as engineering, psych/soc, biology, chemistry , ag, etc...
instructors on average teach 2 courses a semester, with 300 instructors laid off, thats 600 sessions that have to be made up.
Graduate students (TA's) actually help a great deal with teaching courses, some post docs as well. But state funded assistantships are being cut as well. A Grant funded graduate student has duties that pertain to the research grant he/she is being funded on.
If a tenured faculty member gets saddled with teaching double their course load, they will leave as some have already said so.
With cutting roughly 1/3 of your instructors, you give a few more classes to tenured profs to teach but you end up cutting courses and sessions.
The students get larger student to teacher ratio. Required courses offered less. LSU has already said it'll be nearly impossible to graduate in 4 years.Some of the best and brightest teachers are gone and left with older tenured profs who dont much energy into teaching.
instructors on average teach 2 courses a semester, with 300 instructors laid off, thats 600 sessions that have to be made up.
Graduate students (TA's) actually help a great deal with teaching courses, some post docs as well. But state funded assistantships are being cut as well. A Grant funded graduate student has duties that pertain to the research grant he/she is being funded on.
If a tenured faculty member gets saddled with teaching double their course load, they will leave as some have already said so.
With cutting roughly 1/3 of your instructors, you give a few more classes to tenured profs to teach but you end up cutting courses and sessions.
The students get larger student to teacher ratio. Required courses offered less. LSU has already said it'll be nearly impossible to graduate in 4 years.Some of the best and brightest teachers are gone and left with older tenured profs who dont much energy into teaching.
Posted on 1/22/10 at 7:43 am to Raymanz
Put that blame where it belongs. THE GOVERNOR and our legislator.
This has nothing to do with MILES
This has nothing to do with MILES
Posted on 1/22/10 at 7:51 am to dagotiger
Which Biology instructors may be getting the knife? I'm sure I will know most of them.
Yes, there will be attrition from the tenured faculty, and quite frankly, they typically are not as good of teachers as the instructors are. That being said, this is happening all over the country, so the job market is over-saturated already, and many institutions are already demanding higher course loads for professors, so I don't think anyone can really grasp how this will affect the faculty.
Yes, there will be attrition from the tenured faculty, and quite frankly, they typically are not as good of teachers as the instructors are. That being said, this is happening all over the country, so the job market is over-saturated already, and many institutions are already demanding higher course loads for professors, so I don't think anyone can really grasp how this will affect the faculty.
Posted on 1/22/10 at 8:05 am to Raymanz
Why don't you sell your house and all your personal possessions and give the money to LSU?
Posted on 1/22/10 at 8:24 am to Raymanz
So it appears this thread was just one big waste of time
well done
well done
Posted on 1/22/10 at 8:37 am to DBG
because you can beat idiots with facts
Posted on 1/22/10 at 8:39 am to luvmesumlsu
quote:unrelated issues.
Teachers losing jobs and coaches getting raises???
Oh by the way, there are starving children in Ghana, how much of your salary have you donated?
Posted on 1/22/10 at 8:40 am to Big Fat
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Oh by the way, there are starving children in Ghana, how much of your salary have you donated?
he'd probably use his salary to find a way to get Miles fired
Posted on 1/22/10 at 10:10 am to mceuph
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mceuph
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You said we're overpaid, so back it up, tough guy. How much are we overpaid by? You have no idea what we make, do you? Get your tongue out of Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity's arse for a few minutes and actually find out some facts and think for yourself like a grown man. Now tell me, if you in fact have the balls to actually argue with someone intelligent, what do you think a college professor makes, and what what should a person with the qualifications I listed make? If you have to look it up, or if you want to respond with more rantard b.s. and emoticons, then you are 100% completely full of shite.
You have no idea how hard that just made me laugh.
There will always be job openings for teachers. So go find another place to teach if it doesn't work out for you at LSU. Quit being so insanely defensive and get over the fact that not everyone has the same opinion as you.
Posted on 1/22/10 at 10:11 am to DBG
DBG...you have no idea. I made a statement, and evidently alot of people see it as I do. My wife is a teacher, and I have kids that go to Lsu. I do not agree rewarding football coaches when the team playing sub-par compared to what Miles and company is making with teachers being threatened. Do you honestly think the kids just play football and not go to class? Do you think that all players will make it and not have to fall back on a quality education?
Posted on 1/22/10 at 10:29 am to Raymanz
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rewarding football coaches when the team playing sub-par
I agree we shouldn't be giving football coaches pay raises with 8-5 and 9-4 seasons. But that has nothing to do with
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teachers being threatened
Posted on 1/22/10 at 10:30 am to Raymanz
Don't you have a Celine Dion concert to go to?
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