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Posted on 6/17/11 at 1:03 am to Rocket
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Just how good do you think JJ can be? I mean, the basic notion around here is that JJ is under/undeveloped.
I think with some good coaching he can be serviceable. That's really all we need with the makeup of this offense.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 2:35 am to Rocket
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Just how good do you think JJ can be? I mean, the basic notion around here is that JJ is under/undeveloped.
2100+. 17 TDs & 7 INTs. 600+ rushing.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 9:16 am to willeteal
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He should be put in jail.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 9:22 am to shinerfan
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I mean, the basic notion around here is that JJ is under/undeveloped.
This is people living in denial so that they can hold on to hope. After the third year of "110%" and "this year will be his best ever", I think it's safe to be synical and say, "shut up and prove it." - Which didn't happen in the Spring Game, yet again.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 9:27 am to redstick13
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Bigger question is who called the substitution packages? Those were a cluster.
Our ability to take a jumbo package out and put in subs, won us the TN game.
Just sayin.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 9:28 am to 7thWardTiger
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2100+. 17 TDs & 7 INTs. 600+ rushing.
And set the single season record for rushing by a QB.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 9:42 am to 7thWardTiger
My biggest beef with the O the past couple of seasons has been the unending confusion in substitution and the physical process of getting the play from the sideline to the huddle. Its not just JJ, Lee hasn't exactly been the calm, cool gunslinger/field general either. Maybe they're both just stupid, or more likely, Crowton's playbook was needlessly over complicated. One of the most glaring examples of this was the final offensive play against Auburn this past year. Lee was in, 4th&3 or so from midfield with 4:something on the clock. Very winnable game at that point. It looked like LSU was attempting some sort of trickeration playing off of LSU's reputation for end of game clusterfrickery, but naturally, they couldn't get lined up and get the play off. Had to laugh to keep from crying.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 9:57 am to shinerfan
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Lee was in, 4th&3 or so from midfield with 4:something on the clock. Very winnable game at that point. It looked like LSU was attempting some sort of trickeration playing off of LSU's reputation for end of game clusterfrickery
This pretty much sums up Crowton's offense. With the game on the line, the offense often tanked due to clusterfricks like this one.
Against Auburn, the LSU offense gained a grand total of ONE yard in the final 8 minutes of the game. Statistically, LSU has been abysmal in many offensive categories the past two years.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 10:07 am to Chimlim
Having a QB and OC on the same page and able to get the play called and the offense in formation would be a huge first step towards a functional offense.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 10:19 am to Tigah32
quote:I don't recall it being run that much, just complained about a lot on TD.
Continuous options to the short side of the field is a problem
Is this some poorly designed play?
Could all those who ridicule it please expand on this.
I'd like to broaden my football knowledge.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 10:27 am to Chimlim
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Against Auburn, the LSU offense gained a grand total of ONE yard in the final 8 minutes of the game. Statistically, LSU has been abysmal in many offensive categories the past two years.
With an average starting position in Auburn territory...that was very frustrating because we can't move one yard when we are near field goal range and end up giving away a 70 yard touchdown run to lose the game.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 10:27 am to Mayhawman
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I don't recall it being run that much, just complained about a lot on TD. Is this some poorly designed play? Could all those who ridicule it please expand on this.
It's become more of a joke now. In 2009, anytime an option play was called, it was to the short side of the field, Jefferson always messed up, and it was stuffed. For some reason, it was called at least 2 - 3 times per game, and it didn't work one time. It was baffling because plays that did work were never seen again.
In 2010, the short side option was pretty much removed. There were more QB Draw plays designed for Jefferson. Ironically towards the end of 2010, Jefferson began executing the option pretty well with Ford at RB.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 12:02 pm to Walt OReilly
quote:And I am so very glad to yet again be an exception to the rule of the rantards.
basically everyone on this board believes/ed that Crowton was the problem
I pray I will never be so foolish as to look at a team with as many issues as our offense had the last few years and conclude that any one person or thing is "the" problem.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 12:17 pm to GFunk
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How long does it take to realize Jordan Jefferson isn't going to be successful on the short-side option keeper? You're right. He can't execute it. So WHY do you keep calling it?
This may have been true 2 years ago.
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i feel sorry for the people watching the game with me the first time i see JJ run the SSO!
Then maybe you should watch all the games by urself.
Here is a link that will disappoint both of you.
LSU Practice, QB option.
Plus yall do realize why les miles kept crowton around? 07 national champs. 08 le thrown into the fire no way we come out successful in that scenario, regardless of the coach. 09 saw some promise from another very young qb. Defense back up to par les thinks we can compete with JJ as a junior. 10 jj regresses, falling on the shoulders of our qb coach, crowton. crowton leaves.
thats prety much how it would have gone for any other program. except other coaches prob would have kept RP on the team. And besides the coach that miles wanted, Krags. Was not available before the start of 2010 season.
This post was edited on 6/17/11 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 6/17/11 at 1:03 pm to TxTiger82
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Crowton has to dink and dunk
Which is why Flynn was the most successful in consistently moving the offense during Crowton's time on campus, because Lee and JJ cannot implement finesse/short offensive plays. They were all terrible at this. Flynn was good, and occasionally excellent at this, thus the difference between 2007 and 2008-2010 in the Crowton era. This was SO SO easy to see as the primary issue with the LSU offense. Yet, most do not get this, and consistently point to other areas that are not the primary issue. If you cannot throw a simple bubble screen with a high degree of success, which JJ and Lee are pathetic at, you cannot execute the Crowton philosophy. Period. It is the anchor of his passing philosophy, and when that was taken away from him by JJ/Lee and/or Miles, all that was left was running and an occasional mid-long pass attempt when the offensive line held up for a long time and when JJ and/or Lee actaully saw the field without shiteing on themself.
This post was edited on 6/17/11 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 6/17/11 at 1:07 pm to TigerinSoCal
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Anyone who thinks Crowton wasn't the problem didn't watch these two cluster fricks unfold.
You know there are more than a handful of purple and gold clad morons that will swear to you those bone head calls are because of Les.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 1:35 pm to therocketscientist
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If you cannot throw a simple bubble screen with a high degree of success, which JJ and Lee are pathetic at, you cannot execute the Crowton philosophy. Period. It is the anchor of his passing philosophy, and when that was taken away from him by JJ/Lee and/or Miles
Exactly. My point, however, is that Crowton continued to jam a square peg (Lee and JJ) into a round hole (his offense). Especially in 2008. The next year I have no doubt Les took over some of the play calling.
Posted on 6/17/11 at 1:37 pm to Chimlim
quote:Doesn't the short side offer better blocking numbers?
anytime an option play was called, it was to the short side of the field,
Posted on 6/17/11 at 1:40 pm to dgnx6
quote:Jefferson is somewhat more adept at those plays than the other 2.
Here is a link that will disappoint both of you.
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