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re: Stop complaining about baseball OOC schedule...
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:08 am to TigerCub
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:08 am to TigerCub
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I know the answer. I'm saying simply playing Grambling or Yale on the road wouldn't improve our RPI. Thanks goodness our pre-SEC schedule is much better next year.
We're on the same page. I felt the need to answer your rhetorical question to educate the OP.
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Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:08 am to JakeRStephenes
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I guess it's true that you can't fix stupid. I said playing home games IS MORE DETRIMENTAL - not that a better OOC wouldn't help.
I'm sorry but playing Grambling or Yale on the road would not have made much difference. Bad teams are bad teams.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:10 am to TigerCub
And yet by virtue of playing in a premier conference , LSU plays a tough schedule vs ranked opponents at home and on the road.
Yet, a team such as ULL or Cal Poly plays less than 2 or 3 top 50 teams , racks up a bunch of wins and gets a national seed.
Help this dummy understand, why LSU needs better OOC scheduling to compete with that approach.
Theoretically, LSU needs to play 25 plus games against top 50, but somebody else needs to only play 10-15?
Yet, a team such as ULL or Cal Poly plays less than 2 or 3 top 50 teams , racks up a bunch of wins and gets a national seed.
Help this dummy understand, why LSU needs better OOC scheduling to compete with that approach.
Theoretically, LSU needs to play 25 plus games against top 50, but somebody else needs to only play 10-15?
This post was edited on 5/22/14 at 10:14 am
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:16 am to TigerCub
We need to start having a weekend series with ULL every year. I think it would be fun and beneficial to both schools.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:16 am to ProjectP2294
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As long as we keep scheduling SWAC teams other than Southern, I will not stop complaining about the schedule.
This.
More often than not, we'd be better off not even playing these games than winning them. This is the second year in a row that our RPI has actually taken a hit from beating an opponent (Alcorn this year, UNO last).
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:17 am to prplngldtigr
The RPI is 25% winning percentage, 50% opponent's winning %, and 25% opponent's opponent's winning %. The major difference was when the NCAA modified the formula for winning % to reward those teams that played road games, while punishing teams that played alot of home games.
As an example, if Ooh La La had a typical LSU record of 42-14, assuming that the 8 losses would have been split between home and road, their RPI would be 24.
As an example, if Ooh La La had a typical LSU record of 42-14, assuming that the 8 losses would have been split between home and road, their RPI would be 24.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:18 am to prplngldtigr
Because no matter our OOC schedule, we will take losses in the SEC. Those teams rack up wins in and out of their conference. You're not comparing apples to apples with those two teams. Look at the 4 SEC teams ahead of us for comparison. Look at our SOS compared to other SEC schools (it's last). LSU's problem was losing to Vandy, Florida and A&M PLUS the horrible OOC schedule. They go hand in hand. Win those games, and we don't have this discussion. Don't schedule 13 teams under 200 RPI, and we don't have this discussion.
The SEC is tough. And you can't guarantee 20 wins; but we can control who we play OOC, hence the (warranted) bitching.
The SEC is tough. And you can't guarantee 20 wins; but we can control who we play OOC, hence the (warranted) bitching.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:19 am to prplngldtigr
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Help this dummy understand, why LSU needs better OOC scheduling to compete with that approach
Since we play in a tougher conference, losses are unavoidable. We need to offset those losses with wins against teams better than Grambling.
If we could win 52 regular season games, it wouldn't matter. But that's not possible.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:19 am to TigerCub
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I'm sorry but playing Grambling or Yale on the road would not have made much difference. Bad teams are bad teams
Yes it would - it's simple math. 3.9 > 2.1.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:19 am to JakeRStephenes
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As an example, if Ooh La La had a typical LSU record of 42-14, assuming that the 8 losses would have been split between home and road, their RPI would be 24.
How are you getting those numbers. Do you have an RPI calculator?
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:20 am to JakeRStephenes
So you're telling me LSU is picking the paultry revenue from 2-3 home games over a higher RPI ranking? I don't buy it. The revenue generated from 2-3 home baseball games is NOTHING in the grand scheme of things.
If scheduling a few road games is what we need, then fricking do it. I find it hard to believe they're going to take a few pennies over giving LSU a better shot at winning it all.
I'm not arguing with your premise: having more road games are more important to RPI than the quality of OOC opponents. I'm merely arguing that a group of men did not sit down and say "Nope, we realize the significant implications this has on our RPI, but regardless we aren't giving up the revenue for a couple mid-week home games and/or one weekend home series."
All that said, it's a fact that there is SOMETHING wrong with our OOC schedule. Whether it's quality or home/road is for PM and Alleva to decide. But it should be clear to everyone at this point that some changes need to be made to our OOC scheduling practices.
Road games and quality of opponents are BOTH contributing factors to RPI. Maybe one is more important than the other, but the bottom line is that they both have an affect and the solution to me is simple....Either play 3 midweek road games against Top25 competition or schedule ONE weekend road series against Top25 competition.
If scheduling a few road games is what we need, then fricking do it. I find it hard to believe they're going to take a few pennies over giving LSU a better shot at winning it all.
I'm not arguing with your premise: having more road games are more important to RPI than the quality of OOC opponents. I'm merely arguing that a group of men did not sit down and say "Nope, we realize the significant implications this has on our RPI, but regardless we aren't giving up the revenue for a couple mid-week home games and/or one weekend home series."
All that said, it's a fact that there is SOMETHING wrong with our OOC schedule. Whether it's quality or home/road is for PM and Alleva to decide. But it should be clear to everyone at this point that some changes need to be made to our OOC scheduling practices.
Road games and quality of opponents are BOTH contributing factors to RPI. Maybe one is more important than the other, but the bottom line is that they both have an affect and the solution to me is simple....Either play 3 midweek road games against Top25 competition or schedule ONE weekend road series against Top25 competition.
This post was edited on 5/22/14 at 10:30 am
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:21 am to JPLSU1981
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If scheduling a few road games is what we need, then fricking do it. I find it hard to believe they're going to take a few pennies over giving LSU a better shot at winning it all.
Have a talk with our AD then. PM has been told he has to play a certain number of home games each year. I'm still trying to figure out how they got away with going to Houston next year.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:22 am to TigerCub
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How are you getting those numbers. Do you have an RPI calculator?
No, it's a simple calculation. I see the effect of the wins/losses on winning % and add or subtract as necessary.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:23 am to JakeRStephenes
Explain then. Because I don't think it's as simple as you state it is.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:27 am to TigerCub
RPI numbers don't change in a vacuum. This guy is pulling numbers out of his arse.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:38 am to JakeRStephenes
The Texas and Florida schools travel their own state and play each other. Then they all get tremendous RPI boosts and still have their own fans at every game.
I don't think the revenue lost traveling to Monroe, Tulane, and Lafayette would be that great. If we were at 9, we'd be playing for a national seed right now instead of 16 and playing for a host site.
One time of failing to host a regional would negate a few years work of "lost revenue" of a few midweek games.
I don't think the revenue lost traveling to Monroe, Tulane, and Lafayette would be that great. If we were at 9, we'd be playing for a national seed right now instead of 16 and playing for a host site.
One time of failing to host a regional would negate a few years work of "lost revenue" of a few midweek games.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:40 am to ProjectP2294
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Explain then. Because I don't think it's as simple as you state it is.
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RPI numbers don't change in a vacuum. This guy is pulling numbers out of his arse.
OK, I'll explain it one last time, and I will type it slowly so you can follow. The winning %, which makes up 25% of the RPI can absolutely be treated in a vacuum, as it relates to the total number. This is because it only includes what your record is, and hypotheticals can be calculated. There will also be ancillary effects (that means outside) to the remaining 75 % of the RPI, which cannot be treated in a vacuum. Understand?
It turns out my old man was right when he said don't pick on people who are unarmed.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:42 am to JakeRStephenes
I'm not an idiot. Show me how your calculations on this and I'll be able to follow.
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:44 am to JakeRStephenes
quote:T..H..I..S I..S M..E T..P
I will type it slowly so you can follow
frick, I can't do that...
Anyway.
quote:So RPI can't be treated in a vacuum. Got it.
the remaining 75 % of the RPI, which cannot be treated in a vacuum
Posted on 5/22/14 at 10:45 am to Cap Crunch
Not trolling, honestly...can anyone tell me why lsu doesn't schedule a series with my Ragin' Cajuns (was going to say UL, but i'm sure i'd get the typical Louisville banter..was going to say Louisiana, but i'm sure i'd get the typical Tulane banter)
On another note your OOC schedule is horrible. Let's take out all the in-state opponents. You have a series with Yale, games with Toledo, Texas Southern, Sacred Heart, (I'll give you Purdue bc of their season last year) Lamar, and Alcorn St.
You couple that with two games against Northwestern St., McNeese, Tulane, UNO, etc...It's all garbage.
I don't find having 16 shutouts all that impressive when you have an OOC that is that pitiful, your SOS is only where it is because you are in the SEC. you have to agree. Unlike football, baseball has plenty of conferences to choose from when selecting OOC games. You'll get that mid-teens RPI because of your shitty OOC schedule.
On another note your OOC schedule is horrible. Let's take out all the in-state opponents. You have a series with Yale, games with Toledo, Texas Southern, Sacred Heart, (I'll give you Purdue bc of their season last year) Lamar, and Alcorn St.
You couple that with two games against Northwestern St., McNeese, Tulane, UNO, etc...It's all garbage.
I don't find having 16 shutouts all that impressive when you have an OOC that is that pitiful, your SOS is only where it is because you are in the SEC. you have to agree. Unlike football, baseball has plenty of conferences to choose from when selecting OOC games. You'll get that mid-teens RPI because of your shitty OOC schedule.
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