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SpencerRob
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Pass Christian, MS
Member since May 2008
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SOS manipulation
Just as Will Wade pointed out about RPI - there is a methodology to manipulating the strength of schedule. The fact that Ohio State’s computerized SOS is so good bears that out. One of the obvious aspects of that methodology is to not schedule FCS opponents. I wonder if more AD’s start to realize that.


nicholastiger
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
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re: SOS manipulation
It's why LSU does not need to schedule Southern and Grambling in football



H-Town Tiger
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51260 posts

re: SOS manipulation
It’s also looking at the season to date and will change. While I favor ending FSC games we are #2, we are not in danger of missing out
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BhamTigah
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Member since Jan 2007
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re: SOS manipulation
The thing I hate about SOS is that beating the 50th ranked team is worth a lot more than beating the 100th ranked team. However, for teams in the top 5, there should be no real difference as far as the threat to beat you.


mark65mc
New Orleans Saints Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
7272 posts

re: SOS manipulation
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The thing I hate about SOS is that beating the 50th ranked team is worth a lot more than beating the 100th ranked team. However, for teams in the top 5, there should be no real difference as far as the threat to beat you.


Maybe the system should take a little from basketball and rank wins in tiers. I think that there needs to be more teams in the playoff to implement this.


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DLauw
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SWLA
Member since Sep 2011
4119 posts

re: SOS manipulation
Bull shite. Grambling, Southern, ULM, ULL, McNeese, Tech, etc. should always (IMHO) occupy at least two spots (maybe three) on LSU’s schedule every year. They’re Louisiana schools and should be receiving the paydays instead of out of state schools.

We play Bama and Florida every year and one or two other schools in the west are usually playing good/ranked (Auburn, TAMu). Our SOS would be good enough for top four every year provided we’re winning those games.


geauxtigers33
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
5252 posts

re: SOS manipulation
Basketball is easier to manipulate as the schedules aren’t made so far in advance like they are with football, but in the rpi system (that they don’t use anymore in basketball) the key was to schedule and beat a bunch of teams that is going to beat a bunch of teams that will beat a bunch of teams.

This is why Ohio State is number one. They have beat a bunch of teams that beat a bunch of teams. It wasn’t manipulated because when the Cincy game was scheduled they had no clue that they would be 7-1 at this point. Indiana being 7-2 in the Big Ten is a surprise as well.


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SpencerRob
LSU Fan
Pass Christian, MS
Member since May 2008
487 posts

re: SOS manipulation
Playing ULM, ULL, and Tech won’t hurt as much in the computers as Northwestern and McNeese would. It is what it is, but Ohio State is benefiting tremendously from not having an FCS team in their calculation.


lostinbr
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
1597 posts

re: SOS manipulation
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Bull shite. Grambling, Southern, ULM, ULL, McNeese, Tech, etc. should always (IMHO) occupy at least two spots (maybe three) on LSU’s schedule every year. They’re Louisiana schools and should be receiving the paydays instead of out of state schools.

I agree with this, and I think it’s dumb that playing Northwestern State hurts our SoS.

That said - Tech, ULL, ULM, and Tulane are all in-state FBS schools that would make more sense than NWST, McNeese, Southern, Grambling, or SELU from an SoS standpoint.


LakeChuckTiger89
McNeese State Fan
Lake Charles, Louisiana
Member since Sep 2012
409 posts

re: SOS manipulation
None of this really matters.. If they do what they are supposed to do they will be #1 at the end of the week. If anything I think it's a good motivator. Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, and USC are always going to get biased ranking.


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Nutriaitch
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re: SOS manipulation
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I think it’s dumb that playing Northwestern State hurts our SoS.



you don’t think playing one of the worst FCS teams in the country should hurt your SOS? seriously?


had we played someone like Miami (OH) and tOSU played Incarnate Word, would you still feel the same way?





TheFlyingTiger
LSU Fan
BR
Member since Oct 2009
1132 posts

re: SOS manipulation
so you schedule the bottom of the power 5 barrel and it's basically the same thing except you get more credit?


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CaptainJ47
Hawaii Fan
Gonzales
Member since Nov 2007
5560 posts

re: SOS manipulation
So OOC games:
LSU
-Georgia Southern
-Northwestern State
-Texas
-Utah State

Ohio State
-Florida Atlantic
-Cincinnati
-Miami (OH)

They also play one more conference game I believe. So when you compare schedules they did a better job scheduling teams than did LSU.

I get keeping money in state but the NWSU, Southern, McNeese, and Gramblings of the world are piss poor. The rant also knows this as they bitch about the quality of our home game schedule. Can’t have it both ways.


wesman21
LSU Fan
Youngsville
Member since Jun 2009
1617 posts

re: SOS manipulation
I agree. No reason for us to schedule FCS opponents, I'd rather play a Sun Belt team, Tulane or MAC, etc. team every season rather than an FCS, even if it is an in state school.


Liger43
LSU Fan
Hammond
Member since Sep 2019
149 posts

re: SOS manipulation
I’d be in favor of bringing back the series with Tulane- especially since they’re trending upwards


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Mohican
LSU Fan
Member since Nov 2012
4508 posts

re: SOS manipulation
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LSU
-Georgia Southern
-Northwestern State
-Texas
-Utah State

Ohio State
-Florida Atlantic
-Cincinnati
-Miami (OH)

They also play one more conference game I believe. So when you compare schedules they did a better job scheduling teams than did LSU.



Disagree. Going on the road at Texas should be weighted more than the bottom teams. The odds of losing to a Texas on the road is much greater than ever losing to a team ranked #50-130 at home. For Top 4 purposes, there is very little difference between #50 and #95. You aren’t losing that game.

Originally, when they announced the Playoff, it was said that the committee would heavily favor teams that went out and scheduled tough non-conference opponents. I haven’t seen that bear out like they said it would.

Looks to me like the first priority should be avoiding a loss, and the second avoiding FCS teams. Let’s do like Bama and go schedule the worst Power 5 teams. Makes more sense.

LSU is #2, and that is fine. But that fact shows some very real flaws in the criteria because there’s no way you rank OSU above LSU based on them having a more difficult schedule.


ChEgrad
LSU Fan
Member since Nov 2012
1648 posts

re: SOS manipulation
It doesn’t matter. Win the SEC and you are in the playoff every year if you have 1 loss or less.

A second SEC team will not get in the playoff in the future unless a major conference champion has two losses. The other conferences will protest mightily that their champions are being bypassed and complain of SEC bias. And rightly so.


Nutriaitch
LSU Fan
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
2576 posts

re: SOS manipulation
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Originally, when they announced the Playoff, it was said that the committee would heavily favor teams that went out and scheduled tough non-conference opponents. I haven’t seen that bear out like they said it would.



yet your very next paragraph:


quote:

avoiding FCS teams



the committee is absolutely sending a message that these rent-a-wins needs to stop.


is Cincinnati or Miami (OH) or FAU the same as Texas?
no.

but they sure as shite are a whole lot fricking better than Northwestern State.

the gap between Texas and Cincy this year ain’t as big as some of y’all are making it out to be.

but the gap between their worst opponent and ours is wider than the Pacific ocean.

Northwestern State is one of the worst teams in all of FCS. They had their doors blown off by a Div II team (you know the level BELOW fcs?).

The Demons alone have as many losses as all of tOSU’s ooc opponents combined.





BROpaneTANK
LSU Fan
Mandeville
Member since Apr 2010
1509 posts

re: SOS manipulation
Fact of the matter is LSU plays permanent opponents every year that have combined to play in about 10 championship games since 2006. If any team in the country can sandwich bad teams in between those teams it’s LSU.
This post was edited on 11/6 at 9:06 am


Nutriaitch
LSU Fan
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
2576 posts

re: SOS manipulation
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Fact of the matter is LSU plays permanent opponents every year that have combined to play in about 10 championship games since 2006. If any team in the country can sandwich bad teams in between those teams it’s LSU.


no, we play Bama.

Auburn and Florida have more combined losing seasons than they do combined NC appearances in the last decade.

they’ve combined for twelve 5 plus loss seasons over the last 10 years.
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