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re: So, injuries closing the talent gap = LSU in trouble?
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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yeah the net effect on THIS team would be interesting, b/c our offense doesn't give the D time to rest at all
Despite the defense getting tired, if LSU scored more it would've forced UF to pass more. The fatigue killed LSU's DL at that point. UF could only do that because the game was so close to begin with.
LSU's defense in the first half was just ridiculous despite 5 straight 3 and outs.
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Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:22 pm to GangnamStyle
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GangnamStyle
You are cherry picking stats to suit your argument, that's intellectually dishonest. Bama needed as many breaks last year as LSU did in 2007.
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When has Les beaten either team in a championship year for them?
Funny how you give UM or NS credit when they beat Les, but make excuses when they didn't.
If 05 and 07 and 10 where rebuilding for UF, 08 and 09 where for LSU.
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Meyer on the other hand beat LSU when they had a championship caliber team talent-wise in 2006.
So one head to head match with equal teams at Florida.
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2010 (3-loss Bama team coming off an NC and losing basically its entire defense)
When LSU beat Alabama, they were still in the NC hunt. LSU was 11-2 that year, Bama 10-3, so they were 1 game apart and LSU beat them.
Nick Saban is the best in the business, no one would argue that. If you want to say Meyer is better, fine. That may be the 2 best coaches in CFB. So Les is not better than those 2, he could be still be a top 10 coach.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:25 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
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I would take a top 30 offense in a heartbeat
LSU was 24th in passing efficiency last year. The running game was outstanding. Yes, field position was helpful but as we saw Saturday, you still have to convert. LSU had one of the most efficient offenses in the country last year.
3 games where the offense was a no show. Bama, who made every offense look awful, twice and UGA first half.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:25 pm to GangnamStyle
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In 2011, I actually didn't expect it given everything that happened and that JJ and Lee had never shown much progression, but everything fell in place for LSU until the title game.
That's why losing the NC game is still so painful - everything has to fall in place perfectly to go undefeated. Those types of years just don't come along very often. This year is a good example of just how hard it is to repeat that success.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:26 pm to GangnamStyle
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Despite the defense getting tired, if LSU scored more it would've forced UF to pass more. The fatigue killed LSU's DL at that point. UF could only do that because the game was so close to begin with.
LSU's defense in the first half was just ridiculous despite 5 straight 3 and outs.
I'm convinced that if Minter and Kwon didn't go down we probably would have held them all game. We got killed when they came out
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:26 pm to GangnamStyle
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The fatigue killed LSU's DL at that point.
They were definitely tired, but the difference was when Kwon and Minter had to leave. If the stay in the game, I don't think UF gets their first TD.
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LSU's defense in the first half was just ridiculous despite 5 straight 3 and outs.
At one point, Florida went backwards on 4 consecutive drives in the first half. They had 40 yards of offense at halftime. The defense was outstanding.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:28 pm to The Egg
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what are 2nd half adjustments?
other staffs make them, ours hasn't made a single one yet this season.
Sure seems that way. We held FL to somewhere around 50 yards in the first half, Muschamp made adjustments at the half, we did not, kept doing the same conservative calls, waiting for FL to shoot themselves in the foot and lose the game for us.
That didn't happen and we got a pretty "L" to look at now because we didn't adjust. Awesome.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:29 pm to H-Town Tiger
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You are cherry picking stats to suit your argument, that's intellectually dishonest. Bama needed as many breaks last year as LSU did in 2007.
Bama was not a team with two losses to unranked team. They lost to the #1 team by 3 points. Saying they needed the same breaks as LSU in 2007 is laughable.
Not at all. I don't give either that much credit for beating LSU in their title years. When both teams were on the same level, Les is 0-1 vs Meyer, and 1-2 versus Saban.
I never said he was bad, but you guys will take it as that. In both cases it shows the variability of the levels the teams are at.
LSU in 2009 wasn't rebuilding. They were a seasoned team, but just had horrible QB development and playcalling.
This post was edited on 10/7/12 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:30 pm to GangnamStyle
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I said in 2006 that LSU had the talent to win the NC. The only time Les beat Meyer or Saban with teams at equal levels was in the Bama game last year. In every other season, Les lost when it was even
First off, you are wrong, in 2010 LSU and Bama were even. So when all teams were even, Les is 0-1 v Meyer and 2-1 vs Saban.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:32 pm to la_birdman
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e did not, kept doing the same conservative calls, waiting for FL to shoot themselves in the foot and lose the game for us.
hell you'd have thought our 3 point lead was a 30 point led
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:32 pm to The Egg
How about no adjustments in years!
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:33 pm to H-Town Tiger
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First off, you are wrong, in 2010 LSU and Bama were even. So when all teams were even, Les is 0-1 v Meyer and 2-1 vs Saban.
I'll stand corrected on 2010, but not 100%. Alabama simply lost a ton in 2010 on the defensive side of the ball. It is one thing to lose 4-5 players on each side. Bama lost 9, NINE!, starters on the defensive side of the ball.
LSU was returning most of its starters and just looked like a poorly coached team on offense.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:34 pm to sunnydaze
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that's the thing. Name the last team that had an offense and defense in the top 30 in terms of yards gained and given up.
It just doesn't happen often
Last Year:
Wisconsin was 14th in total offense and 15th in total defense. Alabama was 31st in total offense and 1st in total defense. Standford was 8 in total offense and 28 in total defense. WVU was 15th in total offense and 33rd in total defense.
More telling, in the past 5 years the winner of the NCG has never been rated lower than 43 in total offense (with Bama being the lowest two numbers at 43 and 31. Auburn was 7th, Florida 15th, LSU 26th in their winning seasons). Last year LSU was 86th in total offense, btw.
Defense may win championships (outside of Auburn the last 5 winners have all been in the top 10 in total defense) but defense exclusively won't win championships. You have to be able to chew up yards and put some points up.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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hell you'd have thought our 3 point lead was a 30 point led
Remember that feeling we all had after Va Tech in 07? lol. The bad thing is we probably have had similar levels of talent offensively for most of Miles tenure. I just don't see how he can watch the game yesterday and not hold himself accountable. To me it was worse then Auburn in 06.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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yeah and it's awesome when they use "texas tech" when leach hasn't been there for a few years my ideal offense would be USC circa 2005
Oh wouldnt the 120 other teams want to be usc circa 2005. My ideal season we would go undefeated, but i shouldnt expect that every year. Play calling sucks, but the players still have to make the plays, whether they suck or not. Wrs have to catch the ball or they wont be playing past college.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:38 pm to nf
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Defense may win championships (outside of Auburn the last 5 winners have all been in the top 10 in total defense) but defense exclusively won't win championships. You have to be able to chew up yards and put some points up.
LSU's offense changed last year from the Bama game on. The offense was called extremely well, but after that game, it was extremely hit or miss, and much had to do with the benching of Lee and super conservative play calling.
I mean, people need to realize that while it worked for a few yards, we called a freaking speed option to the short side with Mett yesterday.
It all goes back to the playcalling being slow and no adjustments.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:38 pm to GangnamStyle
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Bama was not a team with two losses to unranked team. They lost to the #1 team by 3 points. Saying they needed the same breaks as LSU in 2007 is laughable.
That's a different argument and its irrelevant. They needed the same breaks to get into the title game last year. If a kid for OSU makes a FG vs Iowa State, Bama is playing Michigan in the Sugar Bowl.
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and 1-2 versus Saban.
He is 2-1 vs Saban with equal teams.
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LSU in 2009 wasn't rebuilding. They were a seasoned team, but just had horrible QB development and playcalling
They wer coming off a 8-5 season and had a new DC. Ironically that was Jefferson's best year and if you honestly looked at his numbers they were not bad. At Bama that year, LSU's starting QB and top 2 RB's got hurt. Plus there was the PP7 no call.
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I never said he was bad, but you guys will take it as that
I only object to using dishonest arguments and cherry picking stats to suit your claim. I agree he is not as good as Saban or Meyer, criticism of the in game adjustments and offensive development is valid.
What doesn't get discussed enough is the OL play. IMO the OL was poor in 2008 and 2009. I was better, but still avg in 2010. Last year looks like a fluke and the OL was as bad as JJ on 1/9. Its been bad this year.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:40 pm to dgnx6
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Oh wouldnt the 120 other teams want to be usc circa 2005. My ideal season we would go undefeated, but i shouldnt expect that every year. Play calling sucks, but the players still have to make the plays, whether they suck or not. Wrs have to catch the ball or they wont be playing past college.
All I know is if you gave WVU LSU's defense, I sure as hell wouldn't want to play them. and I'm pretty sure we out recruit them offensively as well as defensively.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:41 pm to GangnamStyle
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Alabama simply lost a ton in 2010 on the defensive side of the ball. It is one thing to lose 4-5 players on each side. Bama lost 9, NINE!, starters on the defensive side of the ball.
that's a little over rated due to the way they (and LSU) rotate guys in. Fact remains, the difference in records between the 2 in 2010 was the 1 game won by LSU.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 11:42 pm to H-Town Tiger
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What doesn't get discussed enough is the OL play. IMO the OL was poor in 2008 and 2009. I was better, but still avg in 2010. Last year looks like a fluke and the OL was as bad as JJ on 1/9. Its been bad this year
The guy I have always wanted to dump was Studwara. I feel like our line is very shittily coached compared to the talent there. Ben Wilkerson probably was the reason for last year.
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