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re: So explain how House was much better his first year than last year
Posted on 7/8/24 at 7:35 am to Datbayoubengal
Posted on 7/8/24 at 7:35 am to Datbayoubengal
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Kentucky people warned us about House. He's more of a NFL coach.
No they didn't. Most Kentucky people were envious that he was here(his defenses were ranked near the top of the conference in his time there) and were shocked at how bad he tanked.
This post was edited on 7/8/24 at 7:38 am
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Posted on 7/8/24 at 7:37 am to boweswi05
LSU had much better players his first year than his second year.
On the same note, they did not add a single player of value to the mix other than a couple true freshman. So the expectations of the defense being drastically improved with a new coach a same (bad) players is a little crazy.
On the same note, they did not add a single player of value to the mix other than a couple true freshman. So the expectations of the defense being drastically improved with a new coach a same (bad) players is a little crazy.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 7:52 am to boweswi05
Still had some O defenders. Kelly and Co failed to replace them.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:06 am to tgdk11
It was all of the above, and more.
Lack of talent with too many holes(DL,LB,CB,Safety), a scheme that didn't fit the personnel( players were constantly out of position), failure to adjust the scheme(Perkins and others not used properly), failure to replace players (ie Whit Weeks), no DL coach(no rush nor run D). All of this caused the players to give up as evidenced by lackluster effort to tackle.
Don't think we have ever seen such a confluence of negative factors in same year.
Lack of talent with too many holes(DL,LB,CB,Safety), a scheme that didn't fit the personnel( players were constantly out of position), failure to adjust the scheme(Perkins and others not used properly), failure to replace players (ie Whit Weeks), no DL coach(no rush nor run D). All of this caused the players to give up as evidenced by lackluster effort to tackle.
Don't think we have ever seen such a confluence of negative factors in same year.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:07 am to boweswi05
Personnel matters.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:10 am to boweswi05
better players make better coordinators.
This post was edited on 7/8/24 at 8:10 am
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:32 am to boweswi05
The most obvious answer would be the fact that House lost so many experienced players at critical positions. So for the first time in history we saw a LSU defense with an awful Secondary and pass rush combined with inexplicably bad run D. To make matters worse the effort wasn't there. Instead of consistent effort across the board we saw consistent confusion and frustration.
We've seen defenses with less talent not spiral into an unmitigated disaster though. The talent wasn't there by LSU standards but I'm sure there were a few DCs out there that would gladly trade rosters. A better scheme, more focus on fundamentals, and better in game adjustments could've at least resulted in a regular, plain old bad defense. Instead we had to watch whatever the hell that was. Never seen anything like it.
It got to a point where I started to wonder why House didn't just send 7 guys and hope for the best. Give up big plays and TDs but get the offense back on the field. The offense being on the field was their only defense.
We've seen defenses with less talent not spiral into an unmitigated disaster though. The talent wasn't there by LSU standards but I'm sure there were a few DCs out there that would gladly trade rosters. A better scheme, more focus on fundamentals, and better in game adjustments could've at least resulted in a regular, plain old bad defense. Instead we had to watch whatever the hell that was. Never seen anything like it.
It got to a point where I started to wonder why House didn't just send 7 guys and hope for the best. Give up big plays and TDs but get the offense back on the field. The offense being on the field was their only defense.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:35 am to moneyg
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Jarrick Bernard-Converse, Greg Brooks, Jay Ward, and Mekhi Garner BJ Ojilari and Jacqueline Roy
Those losses and the loss of a DL Coach. There were other factors. But I'll stop with these.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:38 am to OJsLifeCoach
Sage is an average SEC CB, he shouldn't be lining up against #1s and good #2s can beat him. It sucks he didn't live up to his five star billing, but we have got to the point where we are getting mad at him for being average.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:41 am to boweswi05
An enormous drop off in talent and injuries. This board didnt want to hear that in the off-season but that was the least talent LSU has had on defense in over two decades.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:41 am to boweswi05
Imo, I dont think he was good in 2022. Total defense numbers are skewed because we played Southern, New Mexico, and UAB. Auburn/Harsin were terrible and playing musical chairs at QB. KJ Jefferson was injured for the Arkansas game.
Gave up 38 pts per game in the losses. Gave up 35 against UF.
Ill give him credit for the Bama gameplan.
Gave up 38 pts per game in the losses. Gave up 35 against UF.
Ill give him credit for the Bama gameplan.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:44 am to boweswi05
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We played good sometimes great defense in year one under House.
What changed?
He had a great 2nd half against Ole Miss and a great 1st half against Bama
Other than that he sucked against good teams
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:50 am to JimTiger72
5 different people coached the d line from May until October
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:56 am to boweswi05
He did have some better players on defense, but his refusal to alter his scheme to fit his personnel was idiotic in 2023.
How many 1st downs did Milroe get on us because we refused to use a spy on him?
How many 1st downs did Milroe get on us because we refused to use a spy on him?
This post was edited on 7/8/24 at 8:57 am
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:58 am to Jcorye1
Sage Ryan, Major Burns, Greg Penn, Jacobian Guillory, & Ashton Stamps have not been able to compete in the SEC up until now. I do not expect them to be any better this season.
If they are on the field every down, we will be bad on defense once again. If they have someone better, and have the guts to actually replace people, then we have a chance to improve.
If they are on the field every down, we will be bad on defense once again. If they have someone better, and have the guts to actually replace people, then we have a chance to improve.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 8:58 am to boweswi05
Supposedly House’s scheme is actually quite complicated, with a lot of complex assignment switching based on offensive alignment, first moves, etc.
The defensive backfield was devastated after 2021. So we had to fill a ton of holes in the portal. We got a bunch of experienced guys in Bernard-Converse, Garner, Brooks, and Foucha to fill those holes and we hit on basically all of them
Unfortunately in 2023, we lost all of those guys (Brooks to illness, the rest to draft and/or eligibility). On top of that, we lost Ojulari, Baskerville, and Gaye.
So in 2023 we had to go back into the portal and this time we didn’t hit. Zy Alexander eventually started to come around but then tore his ACL. Harris and Chestnut didn’t pan out. We had a lot of inexperience on the field.
It’s been reported that the players had a ton of trouble consistently executing House’s scheme. My guess is that either:
A) House ran a simplified scheme in year one and ratcheted up the complexity in year two, OR
B) The more experienced players in year one had an easier time adapting to House’s scheme.
Either way, it seems that one of House’s issues was failing to adjust his scheme to the personnel he had available in 2023. Or at the very least, whatever adjustments he made didn’t work that well. That doesn’t mean we needed to line up and run base cover 2 on every down; there is a lot of ground between a simple college defense and a complex, NFL-style defense.
I do think that Matt House is probably a better DC than the 2023 season would indicate, and I think there’s a chance he could have turned it around moving forward. There were certainly factors outside of his control as well. But you can’t expect a mulligan when you fail that spectacularly at this level.
The defensive backfield was devastated after 2021. So we had to fill a ton of holes in the portal. We got a bunch of experienced guys in Bernard-Converse, Garner, Brooks, and Foucha to fill those holes and we hit on basically all of them
Unfortunately in 2023, we lost all of those guys (Brooks to illness, the rest to draft and/or eligibility). On top of that, we lost Ojulari, Baskerville, and Gaye.
So in 2023 we had to go back into the portal and this time we didn’t hit. Zy Alexander eventually started to come around but then tore his ACL. Harris and Chestnut didn’t pan out. We had a lot of inexperience on the field.
It’s been reported that the players had a ton of trouble consistently executing House’s scheme. My guess is that either:
A) House ran a simplified scheme in year one and ratcheted up the complexity in year two, OR
B) The more experienced players in year one had an easier time adapting to House’s scheme.
Either way, it seems that one of House’s issues was failing to adjust his scheme to the personnel he had available in 2023. Or at the very least, whatever adjustments he made didn’t work that well. That doesn’t mean we needed to line up and run base cover 2 on every down; there is a lot of ground between a simple college defense and a complex, NFL-style defense.
I do think that Matt House is probably a better DC than the 2023 season would indicate, and I think there’s a chance he could have turned it around moving forward. There were certainly factors outside of his control as well. But you can’t expect a mulligan when you fail that spectacularly at this level.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 9:00 am to coachbleu
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5 different people coached the d line from May until October
Five? I’m not sure about that.
I guess you’re including Jamar Cain, but he left in March of 2023.
Hired Jimmy Lindsey in May.
Shifted Jancek to DL coach after medical emergency.
Brought on Pete Jenkins to help in October
Who did I miss?
Posted on 7/8/24 at 9:04 am to boweswi05
We looked to be way way way overcoached. Too many schemes the players were not confident in, too much. I think we had a CB coach, safety coach, and a DC that were no where near on the same page and it showed.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 9:16 am to boweswi05
Better personnel and smarter players his first year . Better D-line and secondary his first year .
Posted on 7/8/24 at 9:17 am to coachbleu
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Sage Ryan, Major Burns, Greg Penn, Jacobian Guillory, & Ashton Stamps have not been able to compete in the SEC up until now.
Ashton Stamps was a true freshman last year.
Guillory is fine in the DT rotation. He might not be all-conference but he’s not a bad player. I don’t want him on the field for every down but I don’t want any DT on the field for every down.
Penn and Burns are both better than people want to give them credit for, IMO. Remember how bad Damone Clark looked under Pelini. And I don’t think anyone looks worse when the overall defense is playing poorly than safeties. I don’t think Burns is going to turn into Jamal Adams out there, but he doesn’t have to. Regardless, the safeties and LBs are the groups I’m least concerned about on defense.
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