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re: Smoke Laval was fired for 1 sub .500 SEC Season

Posted on 4/4/21 at 9:36 pm to
Posted by fishdoctor
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Posted on 4/4/21 at 9:36 pm to
Are you saying Les was better than Dinardo?
Posted by fishdoctor
Member since Feb 2018
862 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 9:45 pm to
That's how I got my tickets. Low attendants. Empty seats speaks loudly.
Posted by HeadSlash
TEAM LIVE BADASS - St. GEORGE
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:00 pm to
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We aren’t nearly where Vandy is and that’s where we want to be.


How did LSU baseball drop so far?
Posted by Champagne
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:01 pm to
I always wondered whether Smoke was fired a bit prematurely.
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:20 pm to
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You have zero reason to act like you know what was going to happen in 2007.

I have plenty of reasons
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It would’ve been reasonable to say that LSU football would’ve taken a nosedive in 2018 if Ed O were fired in 2017 and look at how that turned out.

Have no idea where that came from, and has nothing to do with this conversation.
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This isn’t football. “Top heavy” doesn’t matter because LSU isn’t losing to the bottom teams either way and they’re not getting physically shredded over the course of the season because they can’t pull the starters in the 3rd quarter. It’s baseball. There have always been 4-5 or more elite teams in the SEC for us to compete with for our ultimate goal of winning the CWS

Nevermind, clearly you dont know what the frick you are talking about
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:32 pm to
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How did LSU baseball drop so far?


The HC lost focus, he list his drive. He look inward for assistants. Recruiting suffered at a time when others got serious about baseball.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70623 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:33 pm to
In 2007 Vanderbilt was the #1 seed nationally and Arkansas was the #7 seed. Ole Miss, State and South Carolina all made the field and the SEC was 3rd nationally in bids without LSU making it. State made the CWS, UGA played for the natty the very next year then we won the next then South Carolina won the next 2. I dunno how you can say the SEC was weak or top heavy during this period?
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 10:34 pm
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
83018 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:35 pm to
You just referenced a year that Mainieri was coach, thanks for furthering my point. Im talking about the period of time when Smoke was coach
Posted by mtheob17
Charleston, SC
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:36 pm to
Back when Smoke was coaching, I don’t recall Vanderbilt, Ole Miss or Arkansas being formidable opponents.

LSU was in a league by itself for many seasons throughout the 90s and early 2000s.

LSU isn’t the same and there’s a lot more talent and well coached teams throughout the country.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70623 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 10:44 pm to
The year prior the SEC led the nation with 8 bids, with Alabama as the #4 seed nationally, UGA as the #7 and Ole Miss as the SEC Champ. The year before that the SEC led the nation with 9 bids with Ole Miss as the #5 overall and Florida #7. Tennessee and Florida made the CWS with Florida playing for the tile. Again how was the SEC weak and top heavy?
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 10:45 pm
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
81271 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:06 pm to
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Recruiting suffered at a time when others got serious about baseball.




Show me where recruiting suffered.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70623 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:13 pm to
Arkansas was consistently a national seed during Smoke’s era, Ole Miss was in the tourney pretty much every year, UGA was a national seed one year and played in the title game another, same goes for Florida. Miss St. was in the CWS and the tourney. Tennessee made the CWS. Bama was a national seed one year #4 overall. Vandy was the number 1 overall seed and a national power during that time also riding future MLB stars like #1 overall pick David Price and Pedro Alvarez. Dunno where you guys are coming up with this fantasy when the data is easily available.
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 11:13 pm
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
81271 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:18 pm to
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Arkansas was consistently a national seed during Smoke’s era


LOL wut?

Arkansas was a national seed once from 2002-2006.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70623 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:26 pm to
Arkansas #8 overall seed in 2004, #7 overall seed in 2007. You can LOL all you want but you’ve been 100% wrong on everything. You didn’t know what you were talking about you just made up a narrative totally devoid of facts.
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 11:28 pm
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
81271 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:27 pm to
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Arkansas #8 overall seed in 2004, #7 overall seed in 2007.



2007 isn't Smoke's era.

Even if I grant you 2007... two years out of six is by no means consistent.

By that logic, Paul has made LSU a consistent national seed since 2016.
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 11:28 pm
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70623 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:28 pm to
And now the typical selective qualifiers that only distract from the facts and deflect from you being totally incorrect.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
81271 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:30 pm to
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And now the typical selective qualifiers that only distract from the facts and deflect from you being totally incorrect.



Selected qualifiers?

2002 to 2006 is "Smoke's era", Arkansas was only a national seed once in that span. You're the one literally setting the parameters.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70623 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:35 pm to
Stop your spinning. Your statement was that the SEC was weak and top heavy during Smoke’s era and that was unquestionably false and proven so. You don’t wanna own up to that so now you’re looking for little loopholes to crawl in and change the topic with. This kind of behavior is beneath you.
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 11:35 pm
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
81271 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:36 pm to
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Your statement was that the SEC was weak and top heavy during Smoke’s era


When did I say this?
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70623 posts
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:37 pm to
So you’d have everyone believe that the 07 Arkansas team was nothing but true freshman?
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 11:41 pm
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