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re: Skill Player Substitutions
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:12 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:12 am to Lester Earl
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It's a staple of Ensminger. He did the same shite in 2018 and the offense suffered because of it.
Correct!
Over 3 games, offense has moved the ball...outside of 3rd down...but SE is Slowly reverting back to deep passes and attacking outside the hash. Slowly moving away from RPO, no bunch formations with pick or combo routes, slowly moving away from constantly attacking the middle.
Have you noticed how SE is rolling MB out of the pocket more? In 2018, anytime a team brought constant pressure with LBs, he didn’t adjust and attack the vacated area...he rolled the pocket. This is old school thinking and shrinks the field greatly and not affective.
16 rushing attempts on 68 plays is unacceptable and puts even more pressure on a struggling D. You cannot have balance and control a game that way.
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Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:13 am to bstew3006
I think they get too giddy about the "completions to 'x' amount of different players" thing. I don't care if Marshall is the only guy that ever catches a pass, if we win.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:14 am to bstew3006
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but SE is Slowly reverting back to deep passes and attacking outside the hash. Slowly moving away from RPO, no bunch formations with pick or combo routes, slowly moving away from constantly attacking the middle.
We attacked the middle of the field all day yesterday.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:15 am to LSUButt
I would guess that part of it is to have guys fresh for the 4th. Part of it is to get guys experience. I'm ok with subbing, but I don't quite understand the wholesale substitution where the ENTIRE second group comes in at once (like a line change in hockey).
The RB subs are even more baffling. I know he dropped some passes vs. Mizzou, but how anyone watched the Vandy game and couldn't come to the conclusion that Emery is the best RB is crazy. He's the ONLY guy with the ability to find an opening that isn't directly in front of him. Curry is a good one cut, hit the hole with power back (similar to Spencer Ware). TDP is a big back that can be good when the OL gives him a hole. But Emery has enough lateral ability and vision to find seams.
It's almost as if LSU played the first 3 games like a scrimmage. Try different lineups/players to figure out the rotation for Florida. That's great...until you realize you can't just "show up" and beat MSU and Mizzou.
The optimist says LSU's plan was to build up to the Florida game and we are going to see a much better team Saturday (though we had to unnecessarily deal with two losses to get there).
The pessimists says this team just simply isn't very good and that truth is going to become more evident now that the schedule is MUCH tougher.
The RB subs are even more baffling. I know he dropped some passes vs. Mizzou, but how anyone watched the Vandy game and couldn't come to the conclusion that Emery is the best RB is crazy. He's the ONLY guy with the ability to find an opening that isn't directly in front of him. Curry is a good one cut, hit the hole with power back (similar to Spencer Ware). TDP is a big back that can be good when the OL gives him a hole. But Emery has enough lateral ability and vision to find seams.
It's almost as if LSU played the first 3 games like a scrimmage. Try different lineups/players to figure out the rotation for Florida. That's great...until you realize you can't just "show up" and beat MSU and Mizzou.
The optimist says LSU's plan was to build up to the Florida game and we are going to see a much better team Saturday (though we had to unnecessarily deal with two losses to get there).
The pessimists says this team just simply isn't very good and that truth is going to become more evident now that the schedule is MUCH tougher.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:15 am to Oilfieldbiology
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I get 2018, but this year there is no need to have Marshall and Gilbert off the field
I agree. I'd assume Marshall needed a break though and Gilbert was injured.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:16 am to SidewalkTiger
Ja'Marr chase was clearly the WR2 in 2018 but they kept playing Sullivan and Dillon over him. Of course we saw where the offense ended up with those guys not playing much in 2019. They were never better than Chase.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:18 am to Lester Earl
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Ja'Marr chase was clearly the WR2 in 2018 but they kept playing Sullivan and Dillon over him. Of course we saw where the offense ended up with those guys not playing much in 2019. They were never better than Chase.
Chase dropped a shite ton of passes in 2018.
Chase still dropped a shite ton of passes even in 2019. He was very close to leading the country in drops to targets according to some analytics.
I think its hard to say someone is "clearly" WR2 if they're constantly dropping passes.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:18 am to LSUButt
Last 2 games, Kayshon Boutte doesnt get targeted most of game. Then lsu dials up a play for him. Then, they dial up the next 3-5 plays for him. Then he disappears.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:20 am to SidewalkTiger
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I think its hard to say someone is "clearly" WR2 if they're constantly dropping passes.
So you'd rather player guys who cannot get open over a guy that is not guardable who drops an occasional pass?
are you Steve Jr?
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:21 am to LSUButt
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Can someone explain why the Hell we rotate our WR's so much. Last year Chase, Marshall, Moss, and Jefferson played 85% of snaps. Occasionally you had Dillon or Racey of Sullivan spell them. Currently, our substitution pattern is SHOCKING. I
I have watched last season games many times on my dvr. We played a lot of dudes at WR through the first 6-7 games. After that the rotation slowed down but continued. You can bet though if we had a money down coming up the fab 5 were on the field
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:21 am to bstew3006
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Correct!
Over 3 games, offense has moved the ball...outside of 3rd down...but SE is Slowly reverting back to deep passes and attacking outside the hash. Slowly moving away from RPO, no bunch formations with pick or combo routes, slowly moving away from constantly attacking the middle.
Have you noticed how SE is rolling MB out of the pocket more? In 2018, anytime a team brought constant pressure with LBs, he didn’t adjust and attack the vacated area...he rolled the pocket. This is old school thinking and shrinks the field greatly and not affective.
16 rushing attempts on 68 plays is unacceptable and puts even more pressure on a struggling D. You cannot have balance and control a game that way.
YES, I have been saying this for 3 weeks now, there are remnants of the 2019 offense, but E is slowly reverting back to old E. The yards and points are covering up the issues (3rd down and red zone, frick you Linehan), so it'll get uglier as the season goes on.
Why O did not keep Munoz is beyond me, between Linehan and Bo, something needs to change ASAP.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:24 am to SidewalkTiger
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We attacked the middle of the field all day yesterday.
No, they didn’t.
They attacked DEEP middle (seam) and outside. You’re missing the point on RPO/quick slant/square in/ hi-lo middle.
I don’t recall any tight formations or bunch to confuse LBs/cb/safety. Forcing IBs and safety to make a decision. If they did, it was a handful of times.
Not saying they didn’t try anything over the middle...I’m speaking to the focus of attacking the middle and attacking where the pressure is coming from.
This post was edited on 10/12/20 at 10:55 am
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:26 am to Lester Earl
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So you'd rather player guys who cannot get open over a guy that is not guardable who drops an occasional pass?
Hindsight is 20/20
Chase was very unreliable in 2018, not sure why youre pretending otherwise
Joe Brady deserves all the credit for whipping that group into shape
This post was edited on 10/12/20 at 10:30 am
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:26 am to landmanner
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Last 2 games, Kayshon Boutte doesnt get targeted most of game. Then lsu dials up a play for him. Then, they dial up the next 3-5 plays for him. Then he disappears.
I've noticed this happens a lot
same thing happens with Jenkins and Gilbert
We will go to them like 3 or 4x in a row then forget about them for 3 quarters
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:37 am to Lester Earl
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Of course, it didnt happen at all under Brady in 2019. The best players just played.
The substitutions & rotations happened early & often last season but there was a point it completely stopped.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:39 am to SidewalkTiger
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Hindsight is 20/20
Chase was very unreliable in 2018, not sure why youre pretending otherwise
was literally making this same point in 2018. It's not hindsight.
Play the best players. End of story.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 11:12 am to Lester Earl
I'm glad to see I'm not the only person baffled.
To me, Racey is clearly 2nd best WR but he's NEVER getting thrown the ball. Then he keeps getting subbed. I get that subbing in Palmer and Moore keeps them mentally in the game, but on the opposite side it HAS to frustrate some of the other players.
Jontre has 2 TD's, the hype video is all about him, then he barely sees the field...it's just a cluster
To me, Racey is clearly 2nd best WR but he's NEVER getting thrown the ball. Then he keeps getting subbed. I get that subbing in Palmer and Moore keeps them mentally in the game, but on the opposite side it HAS to frustrate some of the other players.
Jontre has 2 TD's, the hype video is all about him, then he barely sees the field...it's just a cluster
Posted on 10/12/20 at 11:25 am to LSUButt
The principle should be "personnel for a series"
Not "personnel for a formation"
And definitely not "personnel for a play"
Obviously there are exceptions, like on the goal line. But even then you should still try to go downs 1-4 in the redzone with the same personnel.
Not "personnel for a formation"
And definitely not "personnel for a play"
Obviously there are exceptions, like on the goal line. But even then you should still try to go downs 1-4 in the redzone with the same personnel.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 11:37 am to LSUButt
This is dumbfounding and, thus far, without explanation.
Someone needs to explain just WTF the offense is doing about who gets reps.
Someone needs to explain just WTF the offense is doing about who gets reps.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 11:41 am to bstew3006
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I don’t recall any tight formations or bunch to confuse LBs/cb/safety. Forcing IBs and safety to make a decision. If they did, it was a handful of times.
I distinctly remember a long thread last year bitching about the tight formations, blaming Ensminger for calling those plays.
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They attacked DEEP middle (seam) and outside. You’re missing the point on RPO/quick slant/square in/ hi-lo middle.
Did we run a ton of RPO quick slants last year? Again, I distinctly remember people complaining last year that we weren’t running enough of this in light of Bama’s success with the same scheme. I tried to find a source to compare air yards/attempt this year and last year but it seems the only places you can find that data are subscription services.
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