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re: Seriously - WHY have the wheels come off on D?
Posted on 11/3/20 at 7:30 am to GA Tiger
Posted on 11/3/20 at 7:30 am to GA Tiger
Pelini wasn't great when he was here before. He inherited a Saban level defense (for the most part), with an offense that was still coached by Jimbo (except for 2007). My point is he had virtually no adversity during his first tenure.
But, most of us remember the 2007 season in which he simply could not make an in game adjustment to stop KENTUCKY or ARKANSAS. We absolutely lucked into that BCS game against the Buckeyes, and he called a good game, we won, awesome! But he sucked at making adjustments or teaching. IF his game plan failed, he failed. Aranda is a thinker. Hell, he was a philosophy major. Everything is cerebral to him. He matched IQ with LSU talent and LSU brute force. He taught players. Pelini screams, doesn't teach, and is a one trick pony. Grateful for 2007, but he needs to go.
But, most of us remember the 2007 season in which he simply could not make an in game adjustment to stop KENTUCKY or ARKANSAS. We absolutely lucked into that BCS game against the Buckeyes, and he called a good game, we won, awesome! But he sucked at making adjustments or teaching. IF his game plan failed, he failed. Aranda is a thinker. Hell, he was a philosophy major. Everything is cerebral to him. He matched IQ with LSU talent and LSU brute force. He taught players. Pelini screams, doesn't teach, and is a one trick pony. Grateful for 2007, but he needs to go.
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Posted on 11/3/20 at 7:37 am to GA Tiger
We only have 4 or 5 really good D players and need about 15
Posted on 11/3/20 at 7:43 am to GA Tiger
Pelini had a way he wanted to play defense. Then he went up against State and realize his approach to spread offenses can't work. Now the defense is simplified to the point where defenses know when and where to attack this defense. To add to that, the players aren't being put in position to succeed. Stop having Clark, Baskerville, Cox, and Stephens play man against slot guys and tight ends. That's not there strong suit. How many times have we seen Clark/Stephens sent on a blitz? If you playing man, send pressure. LSU literally rush 4 and ask linebackers cover man to man. Pelini is in charge of the linebackers, and it's probably the worst looking position in the field. Then add to the fact that there's no in-game adjustments are made.
Posted on 11/3/20 at 7:53 am to Silvermoon_WhereRU
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He’s made zero in game adjustments that are effective.
You can blame this on the players and coaches
Maybe they didn't spend enough of the limited time making sure these guys learned their assignments
There's a reason we kept getting torched in man coverage and gave up 623 pass yards vs MSST
The only realistic explanation of why we didn't move to zone coverage is the defense didn't know their zone assignments
Posted on 11/3/20 at 7:58 am to GA Tiger
We got torched by at least five teams last year... Texas Bama Ole Miss Florida and Vandy. So this is worse but it is not new.
We got torched by Bama and UCF in 2018.
Probably about to get lit up by Bama and Ole Miss and TAM. We might even beat TAM and Ole Miss
We got torched by Bama and UCF in 2018.
Probably about to get lit up by Bama and Ole Miss and TAM. We might even beat TAM and Ole Miss
Posted on 11/3/20 at 8:02 am to Lester Earl
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high player turnover
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opt out/attrition
Yet, you constantly push back on the amount of early departures as a problem.
Every early departure that lands in rounds 5/6/7 is justified if they make a team
Every early departure that goes UDFA is justified Bc they eventually get picked up on IR and eventually make the roster a year later.
Every early departure that goes UDFA is justified, bc that early departure saw the writing on the wall.
There’s a reason why Alabama/osu/ Clemson has sustained high level of play year in and year out. Those Early departure late rounders To UDFA, come back and work to improve draft stock while competing for a championship. That’s Culture.
This post was edited on 11/3/20 at 8:12 am
Posted on 11/3/20 at 8:05 am to GA Tiger
I think the general consensus of Pelini not knowing football, the game having passed him by, etc etc is bullshite.
For me, I think it’s incredibly simple. The players have zero idea what they’re assignments are. We couldn’t possibly get anymore simplified, and we are still seeing blown assignment after blown assignment.
Now is that on the players not being smart enough to understand what Pelini wants to do? Or is that on Pelini not being able to teach his system?
Honestly I find the second one kind of hard to grasp, because that means Corey Raymond, Bill Busch, Bill Johnson, etc etc can’t teach the system either, which we know they’re good teachers.
For me, I think it’s incredibly simple. The players have zero idea what they’re assignments are. We couldn’t possibly get anymore simplified, and we are still seeing blown assignment after blown assignment.
Now is that on the players not being smart enough to understand what Pelini wants to do? Or is that on Pelini not being able to teach his system?
Honestly I find the second one kind of hard to grasp, because that means Corey Raymond, Bill Busch, Bill Johnson, etc etc can’t teach the system either, which we know they’re good teachers.
Posted on 11/3/20 at 8:08 am to GA Tiger
He tried to install a PhD level defense with a group of Undergrad players and when they weren't picking it up over the summer camp, he compounded the problem by pushing the issue rather than adjusting to his audience.
He knows his defense and the sport, he does NOT know his kids.
He knows his defense and the sport, he does NOT know his kids.
Posted on 11/3/20 at 8:10 am to Tmcnair96
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Stop having Clark, Baskerville, Cox, and Stephens play man against slot guys and tight ends.
Pelini 101
Remember Danny McCray trying to cover Percy Harvin?
Posted on 11/3/20 at 8:18 am to GA Tiger
Pellini is a yeller. That worked in The past but today’s generation collapses when you tell them anything other than how great they are
Posted on 11/3/20 at 8:22 am to JustLivinTheDream
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Isn't Pelini's defense supposed to be fairly complex?
The opposite actually
Aranda’s defense is much more complex. Bo’s is meant to be simplified.
I still wonder why we had such a drastic change in scheme after winning a title. I understand our defense had its flaws last year but Jesus Christ. We completed changed our defensive philosophy in one year, without a real offseason to perfect it.
Makes no sense.
Posted on 11/3/20 at 8:55 am to Tigeralum2008
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Pellini is a yeller. That worked in The past but today’s generation collapses when you tell them anything other than how great they are
Saban disagrees
Posted on 11/3/20 at 8:55 am to GA Tiger
FWIW Pelini is a prick. That's part of why he was fired from Nebraska. A unit is a reflection of its leadership, so we can see all we need to know about Pelini in the state of the Defense.
Posted on 11/3/20 at 9:00 am to bstew3006
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Pellini is a yeller. That worked in The past but today’s generation collapses when you tell them anything other than how great they are
Saban disagrees
The difference is, Saban yells about legit mistakes, to correct them, not to make a show in front of the public. Character means a lot, and Pelini can't compare to Saban in that category.
“What you are stands over you the while, and thunders so that I cannot hear what you say to the contrary.” ~Emerson
Edited to correct spelling.
This post was edited on 11/3/20 at 9:01 am
Posted on 11/3/20 at 10:15 am to GA Tiger
Im not the first to point this out, but that 2018 recruiting class is brutal outside of Terrace Marshall and Jamarr Chase. Very few others out of that 22-man group are contributors, or even on the team for that matter
Posted on 11/3/20 at 11:48 am to S
Yes. That is my point exactly. Harvin was almost impossible to defend, but Pelini never adjusted to it. McCray couldn't cover him in space and especially not in a straight line. The only guy in the NCAA as fast as Harvin was on our team on offense, they competed against each other in track. (lost his name at moment, returned kicks mainly for LSU) But Pelini let McCray chase him all day instead of changing scheme to jam him, etc.
Posted on 11/3/20 at 12:02 pm to Tigeralum2008
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The past but today’s generation collapses when you tell them anything other than how great they are
Your grandparents generation said the EXACT SAME shite about you and your generation. It’s all delusional bullshite that comes with old age and being obsolete
Posted on 11/3/20 at 12:26 pm to SammyTiger
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Why do we keep acting like these players: most of which have little to no NFL draft stock are intentionally ruining their careers?
I wish people would stop saying this. It’s not about the players doing it to spite Pelini, it’s about low morale, low enthusiasm to play for Pelini. They’re not consciously doing it. There’s just a disconnect between Pelini and the players, and it shows on the field.
It’s like if your teacher sucks. You may fail because the teacher sucks, but that doesn’t mean you failed to spite the teacher.
This post was edited on 11/3/20 at 12:27 pm
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