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re: Serious Question - What is a "true tiger?"
Posted on 1/15/09 at 10:58 am to N.O. via West-Cal
Posted on 1/15/09 at 10:58 am to N.O. via West-Cal
SlowFlowPro = Captain Ahab
Jacob Hester = white whale
Jacob Hester = white whale
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Posted on 1/15/09 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
I think the rationale is that Keiland Williams was hyped, got the attention and was supposed to be a star. He then came in and ran timidly despite being 230 lbs.
With Hatch, he was effectively a walk-on who no one expected greatness of but who performed to the best of his abilities.
There you go: Keiland is perceived to have not performed to the best of his abilities, Hatch perceived to have done so.
With Hatch, he was effectively a walk-on who no one expected greatness of but who performed to the best of his abilities.
There you go: Keiland is perceived to have not performed to the best of his abilities, Hatch perceived to have done so.
Posted on 1/15/09 at 11:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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meanie-head negatiger
Is this type of language really called for? Children can access this board.
Posted on 1/15/09 at 11:11 am to Maximus
Hey! I have a novel idea...do like my mother did for 65 years...if you don't have anything nice to say about an LSU player, recruit, or graduate, just STFU...simple, huh...then no one would need to play race cards or make excuses for their ignorance and trashiness! Besides, the GD site would be a hell of a lot more pleasant to visit for real info!
Posted on 1/15/09 at 11:12 am to Phil2012
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Hey! I have a novel idea...do like my mother did for 65 years...if you don't have anything nice to say about an LSU player, recruit, or graduate, just STFU...simple, huh...then no one would need to play race cards or make excuses for their ignorance and trashiness! Besides, the GD site would be a hell of a lot more pleasant to visit for real info!
Yeah, the site would be real pleasant with nothing to talk about
Your mother should've talked more.
Posted on 1/15/09 at 11:13 am to RobbBobb
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Is this type of language really called for? Children can access this board.
I agree. The language use is very offensive.
Posted on 1/15/09 at 11:20 am to I-59 Tiger
Why doesn't SFP just go ahead sick Keiland's duck?
For frickin' out loud! KW has not lived up to his potential. He is a HR back not an every down back. He'll hit a 50 yard run and then gain an average of 2 yds after that. We need consistency. KW just doesn't have the vision to be an every down back in the SEC.
I hope I'm wrong and he comes back and proves me wrong.
And yes, I admit Hatch doesn't have SEC quality but he gives it his all. And so does Keiland.
For frickin' out loud! KW has not lived up to his potential. He is a HR back not an every down back. He'll hit a 50 yard run and then gain an average of 2 yds after that. We need consistency. KW just doesn't have the vision to be an every down back in the SEC.
I hope I'm wrong and he comes back and proves me wrong.
And yes, I admit Hatch doesn't have SEC quality but he gives it his all. And so does Keiland.
Posted on 1/15/09 at 11:20 am to SlowFlowPro
Does anyone else wish that SFP and KW and KW's calves would just get a motel room together and just get it over with?
Posted on 1/15/09 at 11:23 am to Lester Earl
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along the lines of people telling you "i told you so" after you pumped KW up
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A lot of what I think happens is that people get very focused on trying to "win" these arguments
+1, +1
Posted on 1/15/09 at 11:25 am to Cheers
Pittiful! The world economy is sinking like the Titanic and WWWIII is hanging in the balance...and the little twerps want to bicker about petty BS! That's a sad commentary on! I'm out!
Posted on 1/15/09 at 11:30 am to Cold Cous Cous
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SlowFlowPro = Captain Ahab
Jacob Hester = white whale
Ding.
It's okay to criticize any player, it's always in the way you do it. For example, the Jarrett Lee bashing was just out of control for a bit. He was a redshirt freshman and he threw too many picks. but after a while, the negativity just fed on itself. You could see it in Lee's body language.
Now, people starting threads to bash Hatch now that he's transferring -- that's just bad form. The kid played hard, give his all to the program, and is now moving on. To start ripping on a guy like that on his way out the door speaks very low of someone's character. You can do it, but you're still an a-hole.
Now, I don't see a whole bunch of threads of people bashing KW. But he has been a disappointing player ever since coming here. He's great in open field and he is very fast, but he doesn't look very good in short yardage or between the tackles running north south. That's reasonable criticism, which is fine for every player.
It's just that you've been so far up his arse for two years that you're sensitive to any negative comment about KW. He's not as good as you think he is. Sorry. He's good. He could even start. but he's not the second coming of Billy Cannon.
Posted on 1/15/09 at 11:41 am to SlowFlowPro
Has anyone explored the rational that possibly the OC change has a part to play in KW's change of status. His Freshman year Jimbo was OC and by the end of the year he was really the starter. Crowton comes in and now KW is behind Hester and now Scott. I am not saying that Jimbo is better than Crowton but maybe the different style of running in the different systems had something to do with it. I like KW because he is the most gifted athlete of the backs. But in the last two years both Hester and Scott have played well.
I think KW is a back who needs more carries to get in a groove than he is getting right now. I think he is a 20-25 carry a game back, but he is not going to get them here unless CS gets hurt or he beats him out with a great spring and fall.
I think KW is a back who needs more carries to get in a groove than he is getting right now. I think he is a 20-25 carry a game back, but he is not going to get them here unless CS gets hurt or he beats him out with a great spring and fall.
Posted on 1/15/09 at 11:48 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:It's ok to criticize any player, you just can't take personal shots at them by calling them names, etc. But if their play sucks, there is nothing wrong with saying that. That doesn't mean the player as a person sucks, however.
Why is it OK to criticize Keiland Williams?
Posted on 1/15/09 at 11:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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missed the Bowe-Clayton debate. What was it about ?
quote:SFP your blind spot as a fan (and I use that term loosely), is that you admire talent and athletic ability over loyalty and hard work. Hardcore fans love players who appear to bleed purple and gold like themselves. It's what they imagine themselves to be if they were players. Clayton, Rohan, and Hester (just to name a few) exemplify this behavior. There's nothing wrong with that. And it's great that a player has great athletic ability a la JR or Bowe, or Keiland. But none of them have shown to be true Tigers at heart. And I say that noting that I really like KW, he seems to be a great guy. My point is that your arguments stem from the point of view of a talent evaluator, not a true fan, and that's why you always get into so much trouble on the board, and people continue to take shots at you. Trying being a regular fan for once.
why clayton was held in such higher regard than bowe when bowe was playing here
Posted on 1/15/09 at 12:00 pm to Baloo
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Baloo
Excellent post,sir.
Posted on 1/15/09 at 12:03 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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Hardcore fans love players who appear to bleed purple and gold like themselves. It's what they imagine themselves to be if they were players. Clayton, Rohan, and Hester (just to name a few) exemplify this behavior.
dead on...
Posted on 1/15/09 at 12:05 pm to Baloo
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It's just that you've been so far up his arse for two years that you're sensitive to any negative comment about KW
because of what this thread is about
there are a few exceptions, but most don't disagree with these criticisms. most reply with joking support
yet a large number of people flip the frick out over criticism of hatch
it blows my mind
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He's good. He could even start. but he's not the second coming of Billy Cannon.
nobody's saying he's billy cannon
people are saying he's equal to scott or better than hester. scott/hester are not billy cannon
Posted on 1/15/09 at 12:08 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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SFP your blind spot as a fan (and I use that term loosely), is that you admire talent and athletic ability over loyalty and hard work
actually i mainly look at production
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Hardcore fans love players who appear to bleed purple and gold like themselves.
clayton left after his junior year. bowe didn't.
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And it's great that a player has great athletic ability a la JR or Bowe, or Keiland. But none of them have shown to be true Tigers at heart.
how have any of these 3 not shown to be a "true tiger" at heart?
i think answering that question may answer the initial question of this thread
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My point is that your arguments stem from the point of view of a talent evaluator, not a true fan
it's production. not just talent
now do talented players often produce more? sure
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Trying being a regular fan for once.
how is saying Bowe > Clayton while Bowe is here tearing it up not being a "regular fan?"
again, the answer to this question likely answers the main question
This post was edited on 1/15/09 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 1/15/09 at 12:09 pm to ForeLSU
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dead on...
i'm still curious how bowe didn't "bleed purple and gold" while clayton did
bowe chose to skip the 1st round after his junior year to stay for one more. clayton didn't
Posted on 1/15/09 at 12:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i'm still curious how bowe didn't "bleed purple and gold" while clayton did
bowe chose to skip the 1st round after his junior year to stay for one more. clayton didn't
my response wasn't specifically about any of the players mentioned...
some people rank Clayton's accomplishments over his career at LSU to be better than Bowe's, some don't...get the frick over it.
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