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re: SEC likely to adopt 9 game conference schedule...
Posted on 8/21/22 at 9:40 am to Zarkinletch416
Posted on 8/21/22 at 9:40 am to Zarkinletch416
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And insures collegiate football players reap huge income from lucrative NIL contracts. Which insures taxpayers will subsidize players who slip from amateur status to professional status. Which insures the NCAA is the NFL's bitch.
Collegiate Football has now gone professional. Gone are the days when athletes took advantage of athletic scholarships to get a quality education at a great university.
Okay so I wanna know. When will university NCAA Division 1 football programs appoint contract negotiators to line up lucrative NIL contracts with corporations so they can then use the contracts to lure talent to their programs?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Well I think the NFL offers a possibilty.
Once this College semi-Pro Super league is formed, with these additional TV dollars from the new schedule format (i.e. 9 SEC games) and an expanded playoff, which the 2 Super leagues would sell to their TV partners, lets take 20% of those $$$$ and allocate it to the players. You can pay everyone a base 20-25k salary.
For NIL, no NIL can be signed until you are on campus and Freshman NIL deals are limited just as Rookie salaries are limited. After your Freshman year, those NIL deals can be renegotiated.
If all of this is collectively bargained (which means college players who are on scholarship would have some type of players union), SCOTUS would not see it as anti-competitive/monopolist behavior which the NCAA was seen as doing.
The NCAA is extinct!. The 2 new College semi-pro super leagues will break the football governance from the NCAA and it will regulate itself and only is members will set rules. SEC Schools for example will not be told what to do by NCAA members who are not part of P5 football, which currently is the case.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:35 am to Zarkinletch416
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Which insures taxpayers will subsidize players who slip from amateur status to professional status.
How are taxpayers subsidizing these players?
Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:56 am to lostinbr
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How are taxpayers subsidizing these players?
I take this is a Rhetorical question. Because they are not. Football revenues make enough to cover football scholarships and then some for all schools in the SEC. At LSU, as with schools like UGA, Bama, Aggie, TENN, etc, those schools do not need any tax payer funds to subsidize sports programs.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:41 am to marcnbc
Not everyone knows the history of the permanent opponents. When the SEC first went to 12 teams, they had a 5-2-1 schedule. The top 6 teams were Alabama Auburn LSU in the west and Florida Georgia Tennessee in the East. Every team had a top 6 and a bottom 6 opponent. By default LSU was stuck with Florida. When the SEC switched to 5-1-2, the original top 6 matchups remained and the original bottom 6 teams remained.
Since then, I would say that the SEC is adding 3 teams (Oklahoma, Texas, aTm) that would belong in the top group and 1 (Mizzou) that belongs in the bottom group. Which team would you move from the top group to the bottom group? Without doing any analysis, I would say Tennessee gets pushed down from the top half to the bottom half.
It's commonly accepted that Alabama will play Auburn & Tennessee every year. If Tennessee is a bottom half group team, then that leaves Alabama's 2nd top group slot open to be LSU.
Since then, I would say that the SEC is adding 3 teams (Oklahoma, Texas, aTm) that would belong in the top group and 1 (Mizzou) that belongs in the bottom group. Which team would you move from the top group to the bottom group? Without doing any analysis, I would say Tennessee gets pushed down from the top half to the bottom half.
It's commonly accepted that Alabama will play Auburn & Tennessee every year. If Tennessee is a bottom half group team, then that leaves Alabama's 2nd top group slot open to be LSU.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:43 am to JKChesterton
Yeah I already knew he answer.. I was trying to see if he did, though. 
Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:52 pm to CubsFanBudMan
The reality is that with a 3+6 schedule, the permanent opponents won’t matter nearly as much as they have in years past. We’ll play the entire conference every two years regardless.
I suspect we will see a lot more SECCG rematches. You’re going from a ~29%* chance that the SECCG teams play a regular season game to a ~60%* chance.
*Both percentages are lower in reality because of two factors:
1. Under the current system, the permanent cross-divisional rival plays a huge part. If Alabama plays Tennessee every year and Tennessee is never in contention for the SECe, then Bama really has a 1/6 (17%) chance to play the best SECe team in the regular season. So the 29% number is basically assuming parity in the league.
This still plays a part in a 3+6 schedule due to the 3 permanent opponents, but the impact is MUCH smaller since you are playing 9 teams that you could face in the SECCG instead of 2. So if Alabama plays Tennessee plus two top-tier programs every year and Tenneseee just doesn’t compete in the league, now there’s an 8/14 (57%) chance that they play an SECCG team instead of 60% with complete parity. If they play two lower-tier programs every year there’s still a 7/13 (54%) chance to play an SECCG team.
2. There’s always the chance that the two best teams play in the regular season and the winner knocks the other team out of contention. So that will decrease the probability of rematches as well. But teams are slightly more likely to stay in contention after a loss under a 9-game schedule than under an 8-game schedule.
The overall point is that playing the entire conference every two years and eliminating divisions will make a much larger difference than the selection of the three permanent opponents. I’m pretty excited about it. The downsides are really the imbalance of home/away games and the risk of obscure tiebreakers.
I suspect we will see a lot more SECCG rematches. You’re going from a ~29%* chance that the SECCG teams play a regular season game to a ~60%* chance.
*Both percentages are lower in reality because of two factors:
1. Under the current system, the permanent cross-divisional rival plays a huge part. If Alabama plays Tennessee every year and Tennessee is never in contention for the SECe, then Bama really has a 1/6 (17%) chance to play the best SECe team in the regular season. So the 29% number is basically assuming parity in the league.
This still plays a part in a 3+6 schedule due to the 3 permanent opponents, but the impact is MUCH smaller since you are playing 9 teams that you could face in the SECCG instead of 2. So if Alabama plays Tennessee plus two top-tier programs every year and Tenneseee just doesn’t compete in the league, now there’s an 8/14 (57%) chance that they play an SECCG team instead of 60% with complete parity. If they play two lower-tier programs every year there’s still a 7/13 (54%) chance to play an SECCG team.
2. There’s always the chance that the two best teams play in the regular season and the winner knocks the other team out of contention. So that will decrease the probability of rematches as well. But teams are slightly more likely to stay in contention after a loss under a 9-game schedule than under an 8-game schedule.
The overall point is that playing the entire conference every two years and eliminating divisions will make a much larger difference than the selection of the three permanent opponents. I’m pretty excited about it. The downsides are really the imbalance of home/away games and the risk of obscure tiebreakers.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 1:08 pm to BigTiger80
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So many of you have LSU married to Florida. I don't get it.
We've been annual opponents since the 1953 with the exception of a 3 year break in the 60s. They make more sense than Auburn who we rarely played until the division format in 92. They SEC is not going to give us to Bama when they already have Tennessee and Auburn.
We need a permanent big 6 team on the schedule and if Bama is out (Auburn/Tenn), Auburn is out (Bama/UGA) then Florida makes the most sense for our permanent Big 6 team.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 7:52 pm to SportsGuyNOLA
Could not agree more; the cupcakes bore me to tears.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 8:14 pm to Zarkinletch416
Those days have been in the rear view for decades.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 8:24 pm to G&P
My issues are UGA and BAMA getting Tenn and AU. One hasn’t been relevant in 20 years and the other is the next “football school” to be irrelevant for the next 20 years. Bama and UGA have the easiest path to the ship in recent times. These schedules should be made with records of the last 20 years in play. Not that tenn won for a decade in the 80’s.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 8:26 pm to JKChesterton
The taxpayer was a non sequitur.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 9:25 pm to WaterLink
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So many of you have LSU married to Florida. I don't get it.
We've been annual opponents since the 1953 with the exception of a 3 year break in the 60s. They make more sense than Auburn who we rarely played until the division format in 92.
Exactly. People who say they don't get the Florida rivalry don't understand the history. We have played Florida 66 of the last 69 years. We lost 13 of 14 during the Spurrier years and have clawed back to make the series almost tied at 32-3-33.
It's much more of a rivalry than Auburn.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 9:29 pm to marcnbc
I also hope it kills the stupid Kickoff Games.
Let’s host a Season Opener in Tiger Stadium. The place we only get to watch a game in 7 times a year. I’m fired up for football season and don’t want to take a road trip to anywhere besides an SEC or Power 5 opponents home field, the SEC Championship, or the CFP.
Let’s host a Season Opener in Tiger Stadium. The place we only get to watch a game in 7 times a year. I’m fired up for football season and don’t want to take a road trip to anywhere besides an SEC or Power 5 opponents home field, the SEC Championship, or the CFP.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 9:33 pm to JKChesterton
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Not happening, don't be one of those LSU fans who thinks the Alabama game is what is a "traditional rival game". It is not. A big game many times the last 15 to 20 years, yes. Alabama will play Auburn and Tennessee. They are not going to play LSU along with those 2.
LSUs fan base is full of cowards. We should play Alabama every year.
Posted on 8/26/22 at 1:54 pm to clamdip
I agree with this, but really wish LSU could play UF, Aubie and Gumpland going forward. Would gladly drop 8&4.
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