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Season Synopsis: Florida was a HORRIBLE loss. Would have gotten Les fired.

Posted on 12/3/16 at 6:57 am
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21118 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 6:57 am
Long, but hear me out. I think LSU football is in a really bad situation potentially. I hope I am wrong.

In retrospect, the Wisconsin loss at Green Bay was not bad at all. Wisconsin is a top 10 team. The Auburn loss AT Auburn was not nearly as bad as we thought, especially at that point in the season. Auburn was playing well and that was the beginning of a good run mid season. They played Clemson close, destroyed Arkansas, etc.

LSU should have beaten both teams and if we would have played them the way we played at the beginning of 2015 with pounding the ball in the running game instead of trying to establish the passing game as Les was told he had to do, LSU would have won both games and been 4-0.

As the season turned out, LSU would have won EVERY game with Les' philosophy being allowed to be fully implemented EXCEPT Alabama, where we would have gotten destroyed again.

A big part of the problem early in the season was that Les/Cam were trying to make changes and could not.'We were passing the ball 25-30 times per game. Harris was horrible.Etling was rusty. Fournette was hurt. And, we lost to 2 teams - 1 very good, the other good, on the road because we were trying to change and prepare for Bama because we thought this was our year.


The ironic thing is it WOULD have been our year if we had just played Les ball - ran the ball behind Guice, let Fournette heal, and let Harris/Etling just do a little. But, we didn't, the offense with 9 starters returning regressed, and Les was fired.


I'm good with his firing. Any coach who can't even develop a passing game at all deserves to be fired. So, that isn't my point. But, the Bama obsession and trying to develop a passing game is what led to the 2 losses.


Now, Orgeron comes in and alters the offense A LITTLE. Ensminger did a better job than Cameron of getting the offense in a flow and getting out of our own way. Passing to the TEs was HUGE. But, we won by running the ball, just like Les would have done. And, we beat inferior opponents badly because Orgeron wanted to get the job. It was a show and wasn't that different from Les, except the offense was more efficient.

Alabama comes and the offense doesn't work and we get the same result we would have gotten with Les.

Florida comes and we inexplicably lose to a very bad team. The Florida loss was the worst of the year BY FAR and it was at home, not on the road. The Florida loss would have been the final nail in the coffin for Les and would have gotten him fired because their was NO REASON for it. Yes, the players screwed up, but we would have blamed Les for it and Alleva would have fired him.

But, Les would not have lost that game. He would have pounded Florida into oblivion and would have won. Les had Florida's number and would not have lost at home or away. Those are the kinds of games he won 31-27 or something and we would have wondered why he didn't blow them out.

If Les had not been interfered with and given ultimatums and tried to change - but could not - this team goes 11-1 (or 10-1), loses to Alabama, and is in the Playoff potentially.

Even after the 2 early losses, if we don't fire Les, the team goes 8-3. We were never beating Alabama.

If Les had stayed after starting 2-3 and lost to Alabama and the Florida with the Sugar Bowl on the line, Les would have been fired.

Orgeron does what would have gotten Les Miles fired, and we hire him as head coach. It is inexplicable. But, those are the facts. Orgeron was the choice all along and Alleva just needed a way to make it happen and it was not because he was the best coach available. It was because of saving money and politics.

Les needed to go. He had no plan. His time was up. He could not beat Alabama. But, the team and coaching staff he assembled would have gone 11-1 this year if left alone and a hurricane had not hit Florida. Even with the disastrous start, he would have beaten Florida. If not, he would have been fired. We hired the coach who got beat by a bad Florida team.

When Alabama DESTROYS Florida today, you are going to see EXACTLY what I am talking about.
Posted by Jabstep
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 12/3/16 at 7:03 am to
Nobody is reading that bullshite book you just wrote.
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
53768 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 7:03 am to
didn't all of it

the loss was squarely on the players

3 turnovers inside the Florida 5

end of discussion
Posted by upgrade
Member since Jul 2011
12976 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 7:04 am to
Stop focusing on Alafrickingbama. Of course we want to beat them, but who is having great success against them right now? If Les Miles only loss every single season would have only been to Alabama, he'd still be here and rightfully so.
Yes we should have beat Florida, but shite happens.
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21118 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 7:08 am to
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Nobody is reading that bull shite book you just wrote.


It's Saturday morning and I felt like writing it. Stay out of the thread then.
You don't have to read or comment. You must be a miserable person. You act like it.
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21118 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 7:09 am to
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Stop focusing on Alafrickingbama


I agree 100%. That has now become A major problem. Our whole season rides on one game and it now affects other games.
Posted by munchman
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
10321 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 7:12 am to
The delusion runs Rantem....
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21118 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 7:12 am to
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the loss was squarely on the players 3 turnovers inside the Florida 5


But, if you would have read it you would have seen where I said that we would have blamed Les for that loss and said he should have had the players ready. He would have gotten fired for that team performance.

The loss was so inexplicably bad. We should have beaten Florida by 4-5 TDs.

I'm glad Les is gone. He needed to be. But, I think we hired a coach who is worse.
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21118 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 7:22 am to
This is getting downvotes because it is long?

Because everything I said was right.

Miles would have won the first 4 if left alone, But, he needed to go. I'm glad he got exposed and was fired. It should have happened last year.

Miles would have beaten Florida. He would have been fired had he lost.

Orgeron should have beaten Florida. It wasn't all on the players.

We hired the coach that performed worse than Miles would have and if he had performed the same we would have fired him.
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12350 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 7:22 am to
quote:

Season Synopsis: Florida was a HORRIBLE loss. Would have gotten Les fired.

In retrospect, the Wisconsin loss at Green Bay was not bad at all. Wisconsin is a top 10 team. The Auburn loss AT Auburn was not nearly as bad as we thought.

LSU should have beaten both teams and if we would have played them the way we played at the beginning of 2015 with pounding the ball in the running game instead of trying to establish the passing game as Les was told he had to do, LSU would have won both games and been 4-0.

As the season turned out, LSU would have won EVERY game with Les' philosophy being allowed to be fully implemented EXCEPT Alabama, where we would have gotten destroyed again.



After all this time, still a Les apologist. Did you watch the Wisconsin game? It was the same MIles offense LSU has alway ran. We weren't trying to throw the ball more. The Auburn game was lost partly because of the classic Les shitty clock management issues and, of course, Cam's shitty play mix.
Arkansas would have defeated a totally demoralized LSU team. The team was so over Les and had no confidence in his BS. The Florida loss was from turnovers and one defensive lapse. We moved the ball all over the field that day. 23 First downs and over 400 yards total offense.
At some point skill players weren't coming to LSU to play in Miles' archaic offense. The program was in decline. Only a moron could not see that.
Your arguments are weak.
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21118 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 7:29 am to
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After all this time, still a Les apologist


I'm not a Les apologist. I wanted him gone. He was done. I wanted him gone last year.

My point is that the offense in the Wisconsin game was out of sync because we were trying to do too much. I noticed at the time. It was horrible. When Ensminger came in, he simplified things. The offense looked more like it looked the first half of 2015, except for more passes to TEs.

Les was done. I agree. We just got a coach who lost to Florida. And yes, I blame him just like I would blame Les.
Posted by Terry the Tiger
Cypress, Texas
Member since Jul 2009
3494 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 7:32 am to
We almost let a shitty MSU team come back and beat us with Miles at the helm. The games later in the season that were blowouts, could have been jut the same. Do you think a Miles-led team would have come out and blown out Ole Miss in the second half? I am not sure that Miles has his team ready to travel to Arkansas after the Bama loss. And in the A&M game, Miles probably would have kept the score much closer, and we would been on the edge of our seats as the Aggies started scoring late instead of winning by 15 points. The die has been cast, Coach O is in charge. Let's give the guy our support.
Posted by GeauxTigersLee
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2010
4641 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 7:37 am to
quote:

But, if you would have read it you would have seen where I said that we would have blamed Les for that loss and said he should have had the players ready. He would have gotten fired for that team performance.
Nope, a Les Miles offense wouldn't have gotten inside the 10 yard line 4 times and put up 400+ yards of offense. The mistakes inside the 10 were all execution, fumbles, fumbled snaps, ect.

quote:

If Les had not been interfered with and given ultimatums and tried to change - but could not - this team goes 11-1 (or 10-1), loses to Alabama, and is in the Playoff potentially.
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 7:39 am
Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
18112 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 7:38 am to
quote:

offense in the Wisconsin game was out of sync because we were trying to do too much.


Our offense sucked because our QB couldn't throw a 10 yd out and sucked balls.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
22770 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 7:39 am to
quote:

I'm glad Les is gone. He needed to be. But, I think we hired a coach who is worse.


Les was much worse than CEO. We should have beaten two teams he lost to this year. Auburn played better after LSU but they looked like crap that day.

Coaching lost us the two games that he did lose. Florida was on the players shoulders and Bama was a close loss.
Posted by TexasTiger89
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2005
24246 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 7:49 am to
I think we would of beat Wisconsin and Auburn with coach O and Etling running the show. We would of had more offensive production and Etling would not of thrown an interception on first down at the end of the Wiscy game.

I can't really explain the Florida game other than losing Beckwith just killed us. Gators ran it up the middle repeatedly after he was out.
Posted by Jonburris81
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2016
107 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 8:02 am to
Sounds like you are huge Les supporter. Face it man, I love him too but it had to be done. Now this crap the AD pulled at the end of the season is a whole other issue all together. We are in bad shape because of that.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
24228 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 8:03 am to
I've been saying this for a month. Exactly this. The loss at Wisconsin was stupid and nothing else. Harris could have run 5-10 yards instead of passing and we win with a FG.
Auburn was the one I had issues with in what Etling did/ didn't do and losing to Bama by 10 or less and Auburn by 1 second, we would have retained Les.i hated him and wanted him fired since 2009, so don't think there is some love fest for Les here. But again to your point dig around and look at my posts on the rush defenses we faced in a weak arse conference this year.
Orgeron is a POS coach that was cheap!
Alleva



Here is one:
re: I think we can all come together here on the rant and agree: Miles gone = GreatPosted on 11/28/16 at 8:13 pm to tiogatiger19
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And it's amazing O got more put of Miles players than miles could.

look at the shite teams we played regardless of ranking. Their defenses were horrible against the run. a-holes are going to say "go look at SOS, but the SEC outside of Bama and Vandy are total shite for defense against the run that includes UF due to injuries in their care on offense and defense.
The SEC is 6-8 against the Power 5. Let that shite sink in morons that are trying to make this coaching look "fantastic". It was LSU playing to their strength - ru. The football against shite teams that couldn't stop the run. Miles would have swept the table outside of Bama. Thanks to Dave Aranda's defense getting better as the season went on we were able to get more stops, thus more opportunities. You saw what happened when 1 player - Beckwith got hurt how much the run defense suffered. This longer drives and less opportunities for offense. It bacame a scoring game against TAMU late because of that.

This will be set up for failure worrying about coordinators leaving each year because O has ZERO strengths on OC or DC.
Sits as simple as that.

re: Excuses...everyone's got one...Posted on 11/25/16 at 10:22 pm to Phil2012
NONE OF YOU O SUPPORTERS HAVE ANY FACTS AS TO WHY HE DESERVES THIS JOB!
I gave the reasons why he hasn't done shite but prepare for UF for 2 weeks and they are decimated by injuries, and shite the bed. Miles wins that game in addition to the ones I mentioned O won.
Or how about 2 weeks to get 125 total yards of offense and ZERO POINTS ON A LESS THAN TALENTED BAMA TEAM.
frick off now and go back to the swamp!

Here are the mighty teams we beat and how they rank on defense:

This is out of 128 teams.

Southern Miss total defense 19; rush defense 54

TAMU total defense 96; rush defense 83

Arkansas total defense 84; rush defense 102

Ole Miss total defense 101; rush defense 113

Missouri total defense 117; rush defense 118.

What the hell does this say about how difficult it is to call plays against these teams?
Texas Tech had a better rush defense than Missouri to put that into perspective.
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 8:21 am
Posted by 1609tiger
Member since Feb 2011
3220 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 8:03 am to
Les was done years ago. No way we beat Ark and TAM with Les Miles. He took one of the most talented teams in years and gave us two early losses to teams with far less talent. Fact.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57230 posts
Posted on 12/3/16 at 8:04 am to
Miles would have lost to Arkansas and Ole Miss. No matter how bad they were, Miles always seemed to clown his way into a loss or close game against them.
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