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re: Screen captures of last A&M drive
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:25 am to nobigdeal69
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:25 am to nobigdeal69
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quote: So when someone fumbles and they are down, all they have to do is touch it and the play is over? I see bad snaps all the time where offensive linemen are on the ground touching / moving the ball, only for it to be recovered by the defense. Right? Or am I thinnking NFL.
This is a good point. His knee wasn’t down when he possessed the ball. I don’t know the rule.
ETA: Actually, upon further review, it looks like he did possess it when the knee was down.
This post was edited on 11/25/18 at 12:03 pm
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Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:25 am to SpeedyNacho
Interesting, so when there is a scramble for a football and people are "down on the ground" the second someone touches the ball it is down...interesting, that changes every fumble where people are scrambling for the football...EVERY ONE!!
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:31 am to Tiguar
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He just has to be touching it and have a knee down, according to every rule expert that's opined.
If that is the case how do fumbles get recovered on the ground. You are telling me that if he slightly fumbles that ball again and picks it up with his knee a cm off the ground that he is down. Him touching that ball cannot kill the play. If he had gotten hit at that very moment the ball would have been live even though he touched it. That ball is live when he touched it and his knee came off the ground before he possessed it.
Compare that to the receiver rule that took a full step and was inches from putting second step down and did not have possession of the ball. Cant have it both ways.
This post was edited on 11/25/18 at 11:33 am
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:34 am to Mo Jeaux
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By the way, the no fumble call was likely correct. It's close, but it appears that he did not maintain possession of the ball through the second step.
I thought the no fumble was the right call as well.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:37 am to ifyoubuildit
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In the first case there were not enough players behind the LOS (4 required).
I believe we got hosed sevreral times but this is not correct rule. You must have a minimum of 7 on the line. There is no minimum for backfield.
It looks like they are all on the LOS but they are deeper behind the football than Mond who is under center...
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:42 am to TriumphTiger
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Mond was down
In your picture you can clearly see the full outline of Mond's knee but if you look at his shoe in the turf you see a turf line instead of the whole shoe. This picture is inconclusive as to whether his knee was down or not.
Play was ruled a interception. No conclusive evidence to overturn. Game over. Gatorade spent...
One other thing that I always look at in a close call is if the reaction of the player looks like he got away with one. He never hesitated that he was live on that play.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:43 am to ChewyDante
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By the way, the no fumble call was likely correct. It's close, but it appears that he did not maintain possession of the ball through the second step.
It was pretty damn close. If there is no defender there, does he complete the catch and score? Dude had possession of the ball on his hip. Defender put his helmet on the ball and forced it out.
If he dislodges the ball, and it goes out of bounds, do they call it a catch and fumble?
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:44 am to ForkEmDemons
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By rule once you touch the ball while the ball is on the ground if your knee is also on the ground its considered dead at that point. That was a good call by the officials.
So when you’re recovering a fumble: ball is on ground, you’re laying on the ground, all you have to do is touch it to have the play called dead as if you recovered it? Pretty sure you have to have possession of the ball to be considered down in any situation of football
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:44 am to TriumphTiger
That picture doesn’t prove he has control of the ball
He was picking it up on the way up
That would probably always be considered a pass
He was picking it up on the way up
That would probably always be considered a pass
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:47 am to Tiguar
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He doesn't have to have control of it. He just has to be touching it and have a knee down, according to every rule expert that's opined.
So a fumble going out of bounds gets touched by a defensive player who is down in the field of play... turnover?
No.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:48 am to TriumphTiger
Even if the knee down call was correct, the review gave them a free timeout. 10 second runoff instead of the 15-20 it would have taken if he’s called down immediately.
I’m not upset about the alignment stuff. The outside guys are always slightly off the line and doesn’t get called.
No fumble review was a killer too.
I was livid about the 4th and 18 but seems the line may have been wrong.
Targeting penalty/ejection was bs as usual.
Crucial pi call and bs unsportsmanlike penalty in that situation.
Only 3 penalties on a&m? Lol. I saw holding all game.
Just a huge cluster-f all around by the officials.
I’m not upset about the alignment stuff. The outside guys are always slightly off the line and doesn’t get called.
No fumble review was a killer too.
I was livid about the 4th and 18 but seems the line may have been wrong.
Targeting penalty/ejection was bs as usual.
Crucial pi call and bs unsportsmanlike penalty in that situation.
Only 3 penalties on a&m? Lol. I saw holding all game.
Just a huge cluster-f all around by the officials.
This post was edited on 11/25/18 at 11:58 am
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:48 am to Mo Jeaux
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It's close, but it appears that he did not maintain possession of the ball through the second step.
Wrong.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:49 am to ForkEmDemons
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By rule once you touch the ball while the ball is on the ground if your knee is also on the ground its considered dead at that point. That was a good call by the officials.
Wait so on any fumble if a player dives for the ball and is in the ground all he has to do is touch the ball and he gets it? If so refs have been ruling fumble recoveries wrong for years.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:49 am to TriumphTiger
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4th and 18 was a first down. Ball was initially on their 39 and they got to the LSU 41 for a gain of 20. I don’t know what was up with yellow line (not there in the ESPN replay for some reason).
You're a fool. That screen capture is after he moved the ball to his body. He caught it and was down before the 41.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:50 am to Tiguar
quote:I think that is where you made your mistake. The rule simply cannot be that way.
He doesn't have to have control of it. He just has to be touching it and have a knee down, according to every rule expert that's opined.
There may be a different rule about a player who fumbles then recovers after knee touches the ground cannot advance the ball, but not as you and the talking heads last night were saying it.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:50 am to ForkEmDemons
So the only thing the defense has to do to recover a fumble is touch it while they are on the ground?
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:50 am to vidtiger23
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Wait so on any fumble if a player dives for the ball and is in the ground all he has to do is touch the ball and he gets it? If so refs have been ruling fumble recoveries wrong for years.
No, that's not what he's saying. If you touch it and then recover it, you're already down. If you touch it and Devin White ultimately picks it up, he's not down.
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:53 am to TriumphTiger
do we have the math right on 4th and 18?
I'd like to know for sure if the series is correct...
with knee down
I'd like to know for sure if the series is correct...
with knee down
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:53 am to slackster
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No, that's not what he's saying. If you touch it and then recover it, you're already down. If you touch it and Devin White ultimately picks it up, he's not down.
I guess that makes sense. But why?
Posted on 11/25/18 at 11:54 am to TriumphTiger
Where’s aTm’s RB illegal motionbefore he broke off run for 15+ and half of our D saw it and were pointing it out?
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