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re: Saw a former player say that LSU Football is not tough
Posted on 11/11/24 at 4:43 pm to Fast Times @ LSU
Posted on 11/11/24 at 4:43 pm to Fast Times @ LSU
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this is 100% a culture issue.
so would Sage Ryan and Major Burns magically be better players under a “tougher” coach
frick no.
I don’t think Toughness is the issue with our defense.
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Posted on 11/11/24 at 4:46 pm to SammyTiger
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so would Sage Ryan and Major Burns magically be better players under a “tougher” coach
frick no.
I don’t think Toughness is the issue with our defense.
Did you actually watch the game? Serious question.
Do you think toughness of a football team starts with the defensive backs? You sound like somebody who never played football and has no idea what they are talking about.
i'm very plainly stating that Brian Kelly creates a weak culture and you keep harping on the technique of the DBs. i really can't help you if you don't understand. i'm sorry.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 4:48 pm to Fast Times @ LSU
Soft
Weak
Beta
Undisciplined
Poor technique
POORLY COACHED.
Tell me I’m wrong…Kelly does not come across as an alpha male. No one on our staff comes across that way.
Kelly is on his second OC and 2nd DC and isn’t through his 3rd season yet. He ran off Tommy Moffit, which appears to have been a huge loss, as we are quite weak in the trenches on both sides. Brad Davis has to be held accountable too for the lack of run blocking ability. We have large humans on the OL. The lack of technique combined with the absence of aggressive demeanor and grit has black holed our run game. We had almost a year to prepare our O line to learn and master traditional run block schemes to transition away from JD’s run game. We cannot run block consistently.
Although BB is in the first yr of implementing his system, his defense has incementally regressed. We had TWO WEEKS to prepare for MILROE, who we 100% know is gonna run a lot, yet we look like we never saw him play ever. POORLY COACHED and poor technique.
Now, if the true reason is talent, that falls on Kelly and Co as well. He’s on the verge of his 3rd full recruiting class…plus the portal, and he should be able to rebuild the roster, especially on defense.
Nuss has to become more disciplined and mature with decision making with the ball. He demoralizes the defense when he turns it over, especially on bonehead decisions. Can’t afford to be so damn careless with the football.
Kelly is on the verge of really digging a deep hole if this ‘25 class doesn’t produce equal to the hype. Skill guys and BU are fantastic, but if we don’t drastically improve in the trenches and on defense quick, gonna have to get used to L’s like that vs the likes of Bama, UGA, and others that are far more physical in those areas.
Weak
Beta
Undisciplined
Poor technique
POORLY COACHED.
Tell me I’m wrong…Kelly does not come across as an alpha male. No one on our staff comes across that way.
Kelly is on his second OC and 2nd DC and isn’t through his 3rd season yet. He ran off Tommy Moffit, which appears to have been a huge loss, as we are quite weak in the trenches on both sides. Brad Davis has to be held accountable too for the lack of run blocking ability. We have large humans on the OL. The lack of technique combined with the absence of aggressive demeanor and grit has black holed our run game. We had almost a year to prepare our O line to learn and master traditional run block schemes to transition away from JD’s run game. We cannot run block consistently.
Although BB is in the first yr of implementing his system, his defense has incementally regressed. We had TWO WEEKS to prepare for MILROE, who we 100% know is gonna run a lot, yet we look like we never saw him play ever. POORLY COACHED and poor technique.
Now, if the true reason is talent, that falls on Kelly and Co as well. He’s on the verge of his 3rd full recruiting class…plus the portal, and he should be able to rebuild the roster, especially on defense.
Nuss has to become more disciplined and mature with decision making with the ball. He demoralizes the defense when he turns it over, especially on bonehead decisions. Can’t afford to be so damn careless with the football.
Kelly is on the verge of really digging a deep hole if this ‘25 class doesn’t produce equal to the hype. Skill guys and BU are fantastic, but if we don’t drastically improve in the trenches and on defense quick, gonna have to get used to L’s like that vs the likes of Bama, UGA, and others that are far more physical in those areas.
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:16 pm to biglego
I knew Michael Brooks and he was a nightmare to deal with off the field. He would not go to class had an escorts of two coaches with him to get him to go to class.
Did not know Calais.
My brother knew Gabe Northern....good guy and a good student
Did not know Calais.
My brother knew Gabe Northern....good guy and a good student
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:35 pm to Fast Times @ LSU
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Did you actually watch the game? Serious question.
yes
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Do you think toughness of a football team starts with the defensive backs?
ask Tyran Mathieu or Laron Landry bitch.
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You sound like somebody who never played football and has no idea what they are talking about.
you sound like someone who still blames his HS for losing when you really sucked.
but more
importantly, I watch enough names to know that the softest part of our defense is our safeties
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:47 pm to CnAzInCA
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:49 pm to Fast Times @ LSU
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in the 1980s and 1990s... Louisiana had guys like Michael Brooks, Michael Calais, Gabe Northern... just to name a few. we need some of that old school toughness in this team because it's lacking.
That's not exactly the glory days. Your point may stand, but your example kinda sucks.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:50 pm to Fast Times @ LSU
But Major Burns will mean mug and celebrate a tackle made 30 yards down the field while losing, what do you mean we aren't tough???
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:57 pm to Fast Times @ LSU
They didn’t win any championships in the 80s or 90s either, so what was his excuse ????
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:57 pm to SammyTiger
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you sound like someone who still blames his HS for losing when you really sucked.
you do a lot of blame shifting. i'm actually good friends with my HS coach. he created a good culture. you could argue i was first exposed to the concept of culture by him.
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ask Tyran Mathieu or Laron Landry bitch.
I've met LaRon Landry. In person. I've spoken with him. Have you? i would take LaRon Landry back at LSU in a heartbeat because he's a tough player and we are very thin on those.
However, if you think the toughness of a football starts and ends with the defensive backs, my trying to help you understand is lost. if you've never been on the field for a high school or college football game, i highly encourage you to do so. see if you could get invited to a practice. if you are near the field, you will have a greater understanding of the importance of toughness in the game of tackle football.
you should ask people who know the game who creates the culture for a team. it's not unknown.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 6:01 pm to notbilly
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That's not exactly the glory days. Your point may stand, but your example kinda sucks.
Calais and Northern played on a 10-2 team; so, it's not as terrible as you make it out.
Brooks because anybody around the program will tell you that he's the toughest SOB they've ever been around.
the whole point of this thread was about culture. even in bad years, there were "dudes". this defense lacks dudes and lacks a culture of toughness. so, if we could have that in bad years...
Posted on 11/11/24 at 6:01 pm to Fast Times @ LSU
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you do a lot of blame shifting. i'm actually good friends with my HS coach. he created a good culture. you could argue i was first exposed to the concept of culture by him.
Weird you don’t lead with championships.
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I've met LaRon Landry. In person. I've spoken with him. Have you? i would take LaRon Landry back at LSU in a heartbeat because he's a tough player and we are very thin on those.
Wait so safeties can be tough?
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However, if you think the toughness of a football starts and ends with the defensive backs, my trying to help you understand is lost.
I think if you have soft fricking defensive back and other teams target them you’re going to look soft.
but more importantly if you have bad defensive backs and other teams target them you’ll look bad, then some guy who played at east bumfrick will tell you it’s about culture (all comments retracted if you played at Rummel. Go Raiders)
but how many coaches do these guys get before we say they aren’t good.
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 11/11/24 at 6:10 pm to SammyTiger
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I think if you have soft fricking defensive back and other teams target them you’re going to look soft.
you "said" you watched the game... both years?
Alabama ran for 311 yards and 6 TD on Saturday
Alabama ran for 288 yards and 6 TD the year before
Same head coach on our side. 2 different DCs. Bama had same QB.
They didn't run for 600 yards in 2 games primarily because of the safeties.
Games are won and lost on the LOS. period.
If a team runs on you, like they have done to this LSU defense for the last 6 quarters, your defense is not tough. we pay Kelly too much money for him to be so checked out. LSU is not tough. that starts at the top.
there's another thread on here where a more recent player is saying similar things. it is what it is.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 6:22 pm to Fast Times @ LSU
When Kelly was hired I thought toughness would be his strong suit. It’s been the complete opposite.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 6:23 pm to notbilly
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Your point may stand, but your example kinda sucks.
Michael Brooks played under Bill Arnsparger. You know who that is? LSU avg ~9-3 for the 3 years Brooks played under Arnsparger. I get that's not exactly setting it on fire, but there is an SEC championship in there. plus 9-3 is about avg for what LSU has done over its history, and it's similar to what our $100 million dollar coach is getting out of his team; so, i would say it's a pretty good comparison.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 6:48 pm to Fast Times @ LSU
Perkins was arse his soph and jr seasons though .
Posted on 11/11/24 at 6:52 pm to Fast Times @ LSU
Do you think you can play a 4-2-5 and defend the read option without your safeties?
Do you think it might help stopping a guy from running for 40 yards if your deepest defender could make a tackle?
Do you think it might help stopping a guy from running for 40 yards if your deepest defender could make a tackle?
Posted on 11/11/24 at 6:55 pm to Pas Bon
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If anyone disagrees with any of this, they're idiots. LSU under Kelly has not had a bruising identity....at all.
So we want to go back to the worst decade of LSU football history?
Posted on 11/11/24 at 7:34 pm to lsu711
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Did your 80s/90s sounding board mention why their era is considered the dark days of LSU football? Those teams had constant off field issues.
I’m not necessarily saying that off field issues make for a better program. I’m just saying that the healthy fear that a majority of your roster might potentially end up in the back of a police cruiser on a random Wednesday probably means your guys are gonna tear shite up on the field every chance they get on Saturday.
Not sure we have enough of those kind of guys, and not sure Kelly would know what to do with them if we did.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 7:44 pm to SligoTiger
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your guys are gonna tear shite up on the field every chance they get on Saturday.
That didn’t translate to many wins for LSU.
The tough guys lost 58-3 to Florida in Tiger Stadium. 44-3 to Miami. 42-3 to Florida State.
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