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re: Sam’s targeting call is SEC Deep State telling LSU, and the world, their place
Posted on 11/12/23 at 9:15 am to Meauxjeaux
Posted on 11/12/23 at 9:15 am to Meauxjeaux
The SEC is corrupt. It’s time to expose them and bring them to justice.
Posted on 11/12/23 at 9:16 am to Meauxjeaux
We are getting the Trump treatment. Right or wrong means nothing, it’s a power grab. They have everything in place to complete control outcomes. We need to kiss the ring.
Posted on 11/12/23 at 9:16 am to misey94
I agree that the no targeting call in the Bama game was a horrible call, but I do not buy the deep state, conspiracy stuff. I am sure on some Florida site they are whining that the fix was in on a very close review of a long pass that was ruled complete that got over turned at a critical time. While I thought the ball did move and they made the right call, it was close and I expected the call to stand.
“Deep state” implies to me that SEC officials are in some huge conspiracy involving multiple referees over multiple years to favor one team over another. Yet somehow over all these years, in a plot involving potentially hundreds of referees from different backgrounds, not one has come forward with any proof.
I would wager that if you go to any team website after a close loss, you will find a half dozen threads staying the game was fixed.
That doesnt mean there are not some bad officials that cost teams games. That happens every week. That doesn’t mean there hasnt been a rouge ref now and then taking bribe money to impact the outcome of a game. I am sure that happens more than we might know.
But “deep state”? You can bet the next time Bama loses a game there will be ten threads on their site complaining of a conspiracy among other teams and refs to knock Bama out. I would go so far as to say if you go to the message board of every single big time college team that lost a close game yesterday, there will be a half dozen threads blaming the refs.
“Deep state” implies to me that SEC officials are in some huge conspiracy involving multiple referees over multiple years to favor one team over another. Yet somehow over all these years, in a plot involving potentially hundreds of referees from different backgrounds, not one has come forward with any proof.
I would wager that if you go to any team website after a close loss, you will find a half dozen threads staying the game was fixed.
That doesnt mean there are not some bad officials that cost teams games. That happens every week. That doesn’t mean there hasnt been a rouge ref now and then taking bribe money to impact the outcome of a game. I am sure that happens more than we might know.
But “deep state”? You can bet the next time Bama loses a game there will be ten threads on their site complaining of a conspiracy among other teams and refs to knock Bama out. I would go so far as to say if you go to the message board of every single big time college team that lost a close game yesterday, there will be a half dozen threads blaming the refs.
Posted on 11/12/23 at 9:19 am to MildManneredMadness
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The SEC is corrupt
Been this way for decades.
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It’s time to expose them
If you've been paying attention, they have no problem exposing it themselves. It has been a blatant display of frickery forever.
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bring them to justice.
LOLOLOLOL. You have no clue how deep the corruption is. This is like taking on DC. It won't happen.
Want to complain to the NCAA about officiating? Guess where the NCAA Head of Football Officials graduated from...
One guess.
Posted on 11/12/23 at 9:23 am to MOT
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...but it doesn’t explain why the law was completely ignored last week.
Oh, we know why it was completely ignored last week. I hope Georgia skulldrags Alabama in the SECCG next month.
Posted on 11/12/23 at 9:26 am to landrywasbeast30
We really need two penalties for lowering the head:
1) Targeting - launch at head, intent appears to injure, or defenseless player such as a blindside hit.
2) Illegal tackle - inadvertant use of the crown of the helmet in a tackle. Make this a 5 yard penalty from the end of the run with no automatic first down. 3 in one game is disqualification.
We need to differentiate this to what they really are.
1) Targeting - launch at head, intent appears to injure, or defenseless player such as a blindside hit.
2) Illegal tackle - inadvertant use of the crown of the helmet in a tackle. Make this a 5 yard penalty from the end of the run with no automatic first down. 3 in one game is disqualification.
We need to differentiate this to what they really are.
Posted on 11/12/23 at 9:28 am to landrywasbeast30
Dude, really
If this is about true player safety, the ball carrier should have been ejected also
He obviously positioned the top of his helmet lower to initiate contact than the defender did
I mean this call had nothing to do with reviewing a penalty. No flag was thrown. They saw on replay what we all saw and can see. The receiver/ball carrier lowered the crown on his helmet even more than the defender to initiate contact
If this is about true player safety, the ball carrier should have been ejected also
He obviously positioned the top of his helmet lower to initiate contact than the defender did
I mean this call had nothing to do with reviewing a penalty. No flag was thrown. They saw on replay what we all saw and can see. The receiver/ball carrier lowered the crown on his helmet even more than the defender to initiate contact
Posted on 11/12/23 at 9:31 am to landrywasbeast30
if a defender lowers his head to make a shoulder tackle and then the offensive player engages by lowering his head to break the tackle (how can you makes a shoulder tackle without lowering your head unless the runner wants to jump up in the air to enable the tackler) and makes helmet to helmet contact...how does one even accurately assess intent much less culpability? How do they assess the tackler wasn't attempting a shoulder tackle, especially when it is the runner who initiates helmet to helmet?
also I did not see offsides on the kickoff, when Fla was tackled at the five
also I did not see offsides on the kickoff, when Fla was tackled at the five
This post was edited on 11/12/23 at 9:33 am
Posted on 11/12/23 at 9:34 am to paper tiger
A wall of explaining that can never explain why LSU was paired with UF as a permanent opponent by Kramer at the height of the Spurrier era.
There have been so many no calls in my lifetime that just flat is inexplainable (I go back probably longer than 70% of the people on here’s fathers. I just don’t understand how it comes up so often. I completely understand correlation does not equal causation but when statistics support the many CRUCIAL times it seems to happen that alter games, I can only believe it is one source behind it all - SEC Office.
I have been a supporter of leaving the SEC since the early 1990’s for exactly that reason. Wait until UT comes in and we have to deal with 2 Bama’s
There have been so many no calls in my lifetime that just flat is inexplainable (I go back probably longer than 70% of the people on here’s fathers. I just don’t understand how it comes up so often. I completely understand correlation does not equal causation but when statistics support the many CRUCIAL times it seems to happen that alter games, I can only believe it is one source behind it all - SEC Office.
I have been a supporter of leaving the SEC since the early 1990’s for exactly that reason. Wait until UT comes in and we have to deal with 2 Bama’s
Posted on 11/12/23 at 9:51 am to Meauxjeaux
The amazing thing is how they did it with a straight face. That is FU at a practiced and professional level.
Posted on 11/12/23 at 9:52 am to Meauxjeaux
The SEC and the powers that be in the conference got absolutely crucified in the media during the past week over the Turner no call/no review and SEC office response to same. This dressing down of the SEC office from the media and numerous coaches was well deserved.
So, in response they flexed this weekend to show that "player safety" is important to them, which resulted in 2 BS targeting ejections within conference games and in the process made themselves look even more foolish.
Hopefully, the media and coaches will continue to persecute these embarrassments to our conference this coming week.
So, in response they flexed this weekend to show that "player safety" is important to them, which resulted in 2 BS targeting ejections within conference games and in the process made themselves look even more foolish.
Hopefully, the media and coaches will continue to persecute these embarrassments to our conference this coming week.
Posted on 11/12/23 at 10:06 am to Meauxjeaux
It is a wonderful rule to enable manipulating the games at critical moments. Anyone can see that the rules are not enforced uniformly. A phantom review results in assisting Florida on a TD drive. How convenient.


Posted on 11/12/23 at 10:14 am to Meauxjeaux
It’s not “deep state” shite. It is bias. Bias is real. Bias requires no planning. No conspiracy. It just exists in humans and shows itself in these situations.
Posted on 11/12/23 at 10:16 am to GumboPot
Right. There are no conspiracies of the evil spirits in high places. Completely impossible.


Posted on 11/12/23 at 10:21 am to paper tiger
You don’t have to invoke conspiracy theories to understand that people can be petty and vindictive.
A poster below said this:
The rule is not just hitting with crown of helmet. The relevant rule 9.1.3 requires that an indicator of targeting MUST accompany the hit. They define 4 indicators: launch, crouch with upward thrust, attacking head or neck, and “lowering the head before attacking to initiate forcible contact with crown…” I suppose they will say it fulfills the fourth, except that I think no reasonable person would say that he attacked and initiated contact. Rather he absorbed contact from the RB. Still dangerous but not illegal by the letter of the rule. It’s such a strange (mis)application of the rule that either a) they don’t know the rule (unlikely) or b) they were sending a message. B seems more likely.
A poster below said this:
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The SEC and the powers that be in the conference got absolutely crucified in the media during the past week over the Turner no call/no review and SEC office response to same. This dressing down of the SEC office from the media and numerous coaches was well deserved. So, in response they flexed this weekend to show that "player safety" is important to them, which resulted in 2 BS targeting ejections
The rule is not just hitting with crown of helmet. The relevant rule 9.1.3 requires that an indicator of targeting MUST accompany the hit. They define 4 indicators: launch, crouch with upward thrust, attacking head or neck, and “lowering the head before attacking to initiate forcible contact with crown…” I suppose they will say it fulfills the fourth, except that I think no reasonable person would say that he attacked and initiated contact. Rather he absorbed contact from the RB. Still dangerous but not illegal by the letter of the rule. It’s such a strange (mis)application of the rule that either a) they don’t know the rule (unlikely) or b) they were sending a message. B seems more likely.
Posted on 11/12/23 at 10:22 am to GumboPot
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It’s not “deep state” shite. It is bias. Bias is real. Bias requires no planning. No conspiracy. It just exists in humans and shows itself in these situations.
It’s way more than bias if it’s reviewing plays after they are over and throwing flags in arrears
Posted on 11/12/23 at 10:24 am to Meauxjeaux
For the life of me, I cannot understand WHY the rest of the SEC presidents / AD’s continue to allow B’ham (BamaHQ) to be the site for the offices.
Start a movement: MOVE IT TO NASHVILLE!
Send the admin packing, and start over with new staff.
Would be much better to have an entire office of mainly Vanderbilt grads running the show, than Bama fans/grads
Only Bama fans will downvote this, I bet
Start a movement: MOVE IT TO NASHVILLE!
Send the admin packing, and start over with new staff.
Would be much better to have an entire office of mainly Vanderbilt grads running the show, than Bama fans/grads
Only Bama fans will downvote this, I bet
This post was edited on 11/12/23 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 11/12/23 at 10:27 am to taf
Head official on the field, Steve Marlowe, is a big Bama guy, having grown up in Trussville and now working for Alabama Power. There are always deep seeded issues in the brain of one's upbringing, no matter how hard one tries to conceal those feelings. And who may he be consulting with at the Alabama office to make decisions after looking at replays?
Posted on 11/12/23 at 10:28 am to landrywasbeast30
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How fricking crazy are you people?
No one is saying that it wasn't technically targeting, just that a ludacris double standard exists
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