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Posted on 7/8/24 at 1:17 pm to paulb52
They won’t do that. They still haven’t figured out how the profit sharing will work next year and how many scholarships will be available. First things first.
People ate over estimating how much NIL pays the normal 3 or 4 star athlete.
People ate over estimating how much NIL pays the normal 3 or 4 star athlete.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 1:18 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Universities cannot hand out money!!!
Yes they can, through their official NIL collective
Posted on 7/8/24 at 1:19 pm to paulb52
A salary cap agreement among universities likely violates antitrust laws. Only way around that is to unionize players since labor negotiations have an antitrust exemption.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 1:20 pm to JimTiger72
Football scholarships pay money directly to the players for each semester. It’s like $20k/yr.
NIL are monthly payments…profit sharing…who knows?
NIL are monthly payments…profit sharing…who knows?
Posted on 7/8/24 at 1:20 pm to paulb52
So they go back to paying players under the table like it used to be. Got it.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 1:24 pm to Nutriaitch
quote:That's not what I'm asking.
it won't work.
most you can do is limit how much can come directly from the school itself.
NFL, MLB, NBA, etc. can not tell Nike how much they can/can't pay a player for endorsements.
NIL is just a fancy new term for endorsements.
The NCAA (i.e., the schools) can't uniterally limit how much money the schools can pay the players without violating federal antitrust laws.
The players/schools can either negotiate individual contracts on a case-by-case basis, or do like the pro leagues have always done (i.e., collectively bargain).
This has nothing to do with NIL.
This post was edited on 7/8/24 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 7/8/24 at 1:25 pm to BadaBingBadaBoom
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They will have to implement a cap! No way around it! If not it will be like it was years ago when illegal recruiting wasn’t dealt with!
Instead of a cap, why don't they make all pay for play illegal and go back to what the original court decision ruled. A player has a right to make money off of their name, image or likeness. The schools can help them market themselves but are not allowed to pay them in any form for play.The stupidity of the NCAA was that they tried to restrict athletes from making any money from almost any source (i.e. Olivia Dunne even though she had millions of followers) while they still participated in college athletics.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 1:33 pm to paulb52
Got a link?
Posted on 7/8/24 at 1:36 pm to paulb52
Posted on 7/8/24 at 1:36 pm to paulb52
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Knew this was coming.
Hey Paul - we’re still trying to figure out what you’re ranting about.
Did you just wake up from a coma & hear about the NCAA proposal that was announced in May? Or is there new information?
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The revenue-sharing model proposed in the settlement — which still needs approval from a federal judge — and agreed to by the NCAA, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12, Atlantic Coast and Southeastern conferences would allow schools to direct up to 22% of the average power league school’s annual revenue to athletes. That comes out to about about $21 million per year, and would rise as revenues rise over the 10-year agreement.
In a letter to Division I members obtained by The Associated Press on Friday, NCAA President Charlie Baker estimated $1 billion to $1.5 billion in revenue would go to athletes annually in the proposed model.
The 22% cap has already drawn scrutiny from those who have been advocating for athlete rights. In major professional sports leagues, the split between players and teams is around 50-50.
LINK
Posted on 7/8/24 at 1:39 pm to Gravitiger
That is what the parents are for… absolutely ridiculous
Posted on 7/8/24 at 1:42 pm to paulb52
Sounds like price fixing unless it is a collective barging agreement which you can't have ciz the players are not repeating and why would they agree anyway.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 1:46 pm to paulb52
Are you just venting/suggesting this? Or did someone actually proposed a cap?
Regardless, it's hard to see how any "cap" would be legal unless collectively bargained for by a players' union that currently does not exist.(i.e. the cap would be an antitrust violation). While we all know NIL has become de facto "pay for play", you can't prohibit a player from being able to sell the use of his/her NIL....which he/she owns. Nor can you cap the amount the (wealthy business owner) paid.
Even pro leagues...NFL, MLB, NBA, etc don't have "caps" on NIL (aka endorsement deals). And those leagues with salary caps, namely the NFL and, to a lesser extent, NBA, didn't implement those rule unilaterally. The players unions and owners AGREED to a salary cap in a CBA. The reason MLB doesn't have a salary cap is because the players won't agree to one.
I think a lot of these issues would make more sense if more people knew exactly what NIL actually is (name, image, likeness) and how "caps" in pro sports are implemented.
NIL is NOT a salary in an employee/employer relationship. It is payment directly to the player for the right to use his her Name, Image and/or Likeness. Again, in practice they are being used to induce players to play for certain school. But the NIL contracts themselves aren't tied to actual on field performance. Because they can't be. They are not service contracts in that extent.
"Salary caps" arose through collective bargaining. It wasn't just the owners/leagues deciding on their own they were going to create a rule. The players had to agree to those rules. Thus, the NCAA and/or conferences would not be able to unilaterally create a "cap". Particularly in a scenario where the players aren't (currently) "employees" and aren't paid a "salary".
Regardless, it's hard to see how any "cap" would be legal unless collectively bargained for by a players' union that currently does not exist.(i.e. the cap would be an antitrust violation). While we all know NIL has become de facto "pay for play", you can't prohibit a player from being able to sell the use of his/her NIL....which he/she owns. Nor can you cap the amount the (wealthy business owner) paid.
Even pro leagues...NFL, MLB, NBA, etc don't have "caps" on NIL (aka endorsement deals). And those leagues with salary caps, namely the NFL and, to a lesser extent, NBA, didn't implement those rule unilaterally. The players unions and owners AGREED to a salary cap in a CBA. The reason MLB doesn't have a salary cap is because the players won't agree to one.
I think a lot of these issues would make more sense if more people knew exactly what NIL actually is (name, image, likeness) and how "caps" in pro sports are implemented.
NIL is NOT a salary in an employee/employer relationship. It is payment directly to the player for the right to use his her Name, Image and/or Likeness. Again, in practice they are being used to induce players to play for certain school. But the NIL contracts themselves aren't tied to actual on field performance. Because they can't be. They are not service contracts in that extent.
"Salary caps" arose through collective bargaining. It wasn't just the owners/leagues deciding on their own they were going to create a rule. The players had to agree to those rules. Thus, the NCAA and/or conferences would not be able to unilaterally create a "cap". Particularly in a scenario where the players aren't (currently) "employees" and aren't paid a "salary".
Posted on 7/8/24 at 1:48 pm to paulb52
So we will be going back to the good ole under the table system of bags of cash, but with some legal ‘above the line’ payments now. Life is a flat circle.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 1:51 pm to Gravitiger
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Are the athletes involved in the negotiations? If not, absent a legislative antitrust exemption, not sure how this works.
Exactly. This will result in either a lawsuit (which the colleges will lose) OR athletes forming a union or unions (for each sport).
Otherwise, the colleges will have unlimited authority to set the limit on the money they are required to disburse.
Basically, we are going to wind up exactly where we were before - massive cheating to get around the salary cap.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 1:52 pm to DrSteveBrule
quote:correct.
And for the one billionth time, the issue is NOT NIL money, it is the transfer portal, period.
Go back to the one-year waiting period after a transfer (except for grad transfer) and a lot of this nonsense will slow down.
But right now, players can put themselves up for sale every year and transfer and play immediately.
Put restrictions on the portal and this situation will improve a lot. Because right now, the game doesn't resemble the college sports that I once loved.
Posted on 7/8/24 at 1:54 pm to paulb52
There will never be a ‘cap’ per se. However, it is inevitable that a mega/super conference will form. From there, you will see a better organized system as you will have like minded and similar teams in one conference. That’s why the college football playoff and ESPN only did a 6 year deal together. We will have a mega conference with teams from SEC, Big Ten, and some from the ACC by 2032. Then, we can talk about better rules in place or etc.
This post was edited on 7/8/24 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 7/8/24 at 1:58 pm to paulb52
These schools capped how much time a "student athlete" had to spend in the classroom decades ago. 
Posted on 7/8/24 at 2:03 pm to Gravitiger
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The NCAA (i.e., the schools) can't uniterally limit how much money the schools can pay the players without violating federal antitrust laws.
they do it now, and have for a over a century.
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