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Posted on 12/26/23 at 7:19 pm to Madking
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Kind of an ironic statement since you’re using D2 wins to bolster Kelly’s totals. On the D1 level he’s 4th among active coaches, Saban is over 100 wins ahead of him.
Good lord
Even when you move the fricking goal posts he’s still 4th in D1. And you miserable fricking morons act like he sucks. 
Posted on 12/26/23 at 7:28 pm to 31TIGERS
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Explain how he kind of answers to us.
You kind of said it.
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He answers to the AD regardless of what the know it all’s here think or say.
He answers to the AD, BOS, and president of the University. Public opinion can eventually shape all of those. But what goes on here has very little impact.
Most people here seem to think that because they think something, that has to be what all fans think. Most of the very loud voices here do not reflect what most people I talk to think, often nearly the opposite.
Long and short, I think we agree. TD has little effect. The effect of public opinion can come into play but even that is slow in coming, in my experience.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 11:00 pm to jbird7
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34-33 against top 25 teams
No context?
I mean, He has had 31 winning seasons in 33 years of coaching.
Cincinnati hadn't had a 10-win season since 1949 (the only one in their history) when he had one in his first year there and they finished ranked for the first time in 30 years. He then won 11 games in year 2 and went 12-0 in year 3 before leaving for ND (and Cincy finished ranked #4 in the nation). He put Cincy on the map.
ND had just two 10-win seasons in the previous 19 years before Kelly won 12 games and played in the national title game in 2012. He is on his 7th 10+ win season in 12 years there now.
ND didn't have a top 5 finish in 19 years until he had one in 2012. He could finish with his 4th top 5 finish in 12 seasons this year which included the NC Game appearance and two other playoff appearances. He made ND relevant again when they sucked for 2 decades basically.
As for LSU, we were coming off two bad seasons and only had 37 scholarship players. BK has had to build through the portal in the short term. In two years since his arrival, he has won the West (beating EVERY team in it at some point in the last two seasons), AND brought in a HEISMAN winning QB. He is also on the verge of back to back 10 win seasons…using leftovers from O, and transfers.
How is the above not acceptable at this point?
This post was edited on 12/26/23 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:42 am to saturncube21
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Saban didn’t hire his OC and DC till Febuary last year
Hasn’t Saban also fired at least one coach during the season? I don’t see how this helps us know if Kelly is doing the right thing.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 5:20 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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think fans need to realize that BK doesn't answer to us and like most successful HCs has an ego and doesn't like being pressured or questioned. He will tell us who is being hired and fired when he wants to tell us who is hired and being fired and we just have to wait until that time comes.
Such a pleasant contrast from shrimp boots
Posted on 12/27/23 at 5:37 am to jbird7
it's so much easier to win when all your players are 5 stars.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 8:10 am to jimmy the leg
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I mean, He has had 31 winning seasons in 33 years of coaching.
And in that time span he’s 34-33 against top 25 teams and 6-19 vs top
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ND didn't have a top 5 finish in 19 years until he had one in 2012. He could finish with his 4th top 5 finish in 12 seasons this year which included the NC Game appearance and two other playoff appearances. He made ND relevant again when they sucked for 2 decades basically.
That’s more of ND not hiring a decent coach. Theres a reason why Tyron willingbam never was a HC anywhere decent after his time in SB. Is it really that hard to succeed at ND when you’re playing Stanford, Navy, and Purdue every week? They play absolutely nobody and when they manage to be gifted into the playoffs/natty bc of tv executives they get their asses kicked. EVERY TIME. So let’s not act like ND is relevant again. They havent been since the 80s. I’m not saying it’s not at all a challenge. But any decent coach can go do that at ND.
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As for LSU, we were coming off two bad seasons and only had 37 scholarship players. BK has had to build through the portal in the short term. In two years since his arrival, he has won the West (beating EVERY team in it at some point in the last two seasons), AND brought in a HEISMAN winning QB. He is also on the verge of back to back 10 win seasons
He’s done a good job of getting program out of O’s mess. I commend him for that. He won the west which is great. Even though the west was very much down. And I love the heisman he brought.
Im not at all saying he’s a bad coach I don’t think he’s elite in anyway like most people portray him to be. I think he’s average. And I think 10 wins is the ceiling with him as an lsu coach. I don’t see him winning a natty here.
His in game management is les miles level and he can’t recruit at the level we need. We also just had the worst D in program history and we’ve made zero changes.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 8:43 am to saturncube21
Can we stop comparing BK to Saban until the former warrants it.
What Saban does will work no matter what because he will always win at an elite level. BK hasn’t proven that, so his approach to hiring coordinators merits questioning.
What Saban does will work no matter what because he will always win at an elite level. BK hasn’t proven that, so his approach to hiring coordinators merits questioning.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 9:05 am to SammyTiger
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Saban's systems stay the same no matter who is the OC and DC.
that’s not really true on offense.
I mean Saban even says so himself.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 9:13 am to saturncube21
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Saban didn’t hire his OC and DC till Febuary last year
Not saying we shouldn't be patient and make the right hires, but Bama is going to pull a Top 3 class even if Saban fires all his coordinators and position coaches and waits till after the season to hire new ones. We don't have that luxury.
That being said, I'm sure Kelly has a plan and we have no choice but to wait and see how it turns out.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 9:48 am to Bert Macklin FBI
The most telling thing about CBK's effectiveness with this squad is the number of opt outs (ONE) for the bowl game. He's instilled a Team-First mentality amongst his players which has most certainly taken hold with this group of young men. Very rare to see in the present era.
These guys enjoy playing the game of football and want to do it together one more time this season. Recent interviews posted on on TR are certainly demonstrative of the same. Installing such a culture in this era is not an easy task.
These guys enjoy playing the game of football and want to do it together one more time this season. Recent interviews posted on on TR are certainly demonstrative of the same. Installing such a culture in this era is not an easy task.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 9:51 am to saturncube21
I don't think this is an apples to apples comparison. Saban has a well oiled machine in recruiting and has shown to players and recruits that he still wins even with a steady flow of OC's DC's etc.
CBK doesn't have that machine right now and having question marks on the DC is an issue for recruits. Now maybe he has somebody lined up for Jan/Feb but this is not the way to validate the timing of CBK's DC hire. Coaches everywhere would be eager to work for Saban because of continual success of the program and it will boost their career. CBK is not at the point yet.
CBK doesn't have that machine right now and having question marks on the DC is an issue for recruits. Now maybe he has somebody lined up for Jan/Feb but this is not the way to validate the timing of CBK's DC hire. Coaches everywhere would be eager to work for Saban because of continual success of the program and it will boost their career. CBK is not at the point yet.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:13 am to jbird7
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His in game management is les miles level and he can’t recruit at the level we need.
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jbird7
You’re embarrassing yourself. And who is this “we” you speak of? Are you on staff? (Any normal functioning brain knows you’re not)
I’m sure if you were you would be running the offense and the defense as well as special teams, correct?
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:19 am to mdomingue
No I didn’t say it. I was asking you how you think he kind of answers to us.
You answered the question: he answers to the AD & president. I believe the public opinion part is something that the folks around here put too much stock into because there’s an awful lot of wish-casting that goes on which turns into stupidity and anger once those wishes don’t come true. Those same ones think way too highly of their value to LSU athletics.
You answered the question: he answers to the AD & president. I believe the public opinion part is something that the folks around here put too much stock into because there’s an awful lot of wish-casting that goes on which turns into stupidity and anger once those wishes don’t come true. Those same ones think way too highly of their value to LSU athletics.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:26 am to 31TIGERS
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believe the public opinion part is something that the folks around here put too much stock into
Agreed. That's why I said kind of. I'm a season ticket holder so I have a very small impact but as long as the revenue doesn't take a big hit it is minimal, maybe infintesimal.
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there’s an awful lot of wish-casting that goes on which turns into stupidity and anger once those wishes don’t come true. Those same ones think way too highly of their value to LSU athletics.
It's both funny and sad to observe but ultimately makes a site like this much less enjoyable now because it has gotten so vitriolic.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:27 am to tenderfoot tigah
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Kelly does the same on offence.
You don't earn us reading the rest of your post when you do this.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:50 pm to saturncube21
and he probably fielded the worst team on both sides of the ball for last decade. Bama is extremely lucky to be in the playoffs.....that Auburn win was the luckiest thing I've seen in a long time. Ga on the other hand, is the best team in college football, and they just keep signing 5 stars out of HS and the portal. Why? because the players believe the Ga coaches can make them better. For that reason, LSU can't sign anything close to that...plus Ga apparently has more $ than LSU for football.
Oh well, we should be good in baseball again.
Oh well, we should be good in baseball again.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:12 pm to 31TIGERS
lol relax francis. That’s my opinion. That’s the point of this website. No need to get your panties in wad.
This post was edited on 12/27/23 at 1:16 pm
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