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re: Ryan Theriot on the missed DP by Arky
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:29 am to Tiger Ugly
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:29 am to Tiger Ugly
quote:what you said earlier was right. Surely no shortstop has gone to his right and not still turned a double plays a bazillion times in the history of playing baseball. Don't listen to this dude. He is an idiot troll that tries to act like he knows baseball because he "watches it alot" when he should stick to sports writing for his local small newspaper.
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He’s not talking so much about the speed of the play on the 2nd one. It’s more about intent & positioning & having your body and feet ready to go to 2nd base
I didn't interpret what he said that way, but let's assume that is what he meant.....there was still time to turn 2. Instinctually, you would expect he'd sense that as an experienced SS?
He pulls instances from AI overview on Google and uses the words to act like he knows the game when he doesnt know shite. A 100% imposter. Fundamentals are everything in baseball. Everything. Don't let resident idiots tell you otherwise. The kid choked and took the easy out. Like Theriot said, he didnt even execute that first step to prepare for a 643 which leads a real ss to believe that the kid didnt even play it out in his head tbw before the pitch where he was gonna go if he got the ball. Its was 2 away and 2 run lead. No one on Arkie side believed they would make 2 more crucial physical errors after his mental miscue until it actually did and it lost them the game.This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 8:40 am
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:29 am to OceanMan
quote:You simply don’t know your arse from a hole in the ground here
I’d argue that we could not have won the game without scoring the fourth run.
Let’s say they don’t get the lead runner and don’t make the double play
You have first and third with 2 outs
For the tying run to score at first, the runner at third will clearly score
However, with the decision he made, it was 1st and 2nd 2 outs. For the tying run at 1st to score, the runner at 2nd will score as well and it’s inconsequential
Hence, why that lead runner MEANS NOTHING THERE. You are only concerned about that second run. The trail runner
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 8:31 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:33 am to josh336
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Braswells was slower hit, big difference
Well this kind of blows up the theory that you need to plan where you are throwing before the ball is hit
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:34 am to OceanMan
quote:Are you a real human?
Well this kind of blows up the theory that you need to plan where you are throwing before the ball is hit
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:35 am to lsupride87
I can't take anyone comparing braswells ball with aloys ball seriously.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:39 am to Geaux Piggins Geaux
The throw to third wasn’t even confident, which tells me one thing: He was tense and just wanted to make sure he didn’t screw up.
He was moving to his right so the easy play was 3rd, but the correct play was turning 2. He didn’t trust himself, panicked a little bit and then took the easy out at 3rd. Just like the LF panicked and botched a play he makes 999 times out of 1000.
The botched plays in big moments in Omaha are snowballing on that program.
He was moving to his right so the easy play was 3rd, but the correct play was turning 2. He didn’t trust himself, panicked a little bit and then took the easy out at 3rd. Just like the LF panicked and botched a play he makes 999 times out of 1000.
The botched plays in big moments in Omaha are snowballing on that program.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:42 am to RB10
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He was moving to his right
He really wasn't. Maybe his first step was slightly right but he fielded the ball completely squared up.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:48 am to bbap
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He really wasn't. Maybe his first step was slightly right but he fielded the ball completely squared up.
The first step for him is all that mattered. As soon as it was to his right he was taking the easy out because he was uncomfortable.
Any SS who’s composed in that situation turns 2 easily.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:49 am to bbap
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It absolutely was
There were attempted double plays that did not convert. One resulted in a run.
The previous fielding play had a throwing error. The next fielding play the guy laid out for a ball and missed which surely gave up a run.
Does this not demonstrate that giving yourself a chance to win in the field can come with risk?
Again, y’all are looking at this with the benefit of hindsight and it’s obvious. It can be not the right play, while also not being the worst play if the game.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:49 am to RB10
Well I just respectfully disagree. It was basically hit straight at him.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:54 am to bbap
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Well I just respectfully disagree. It was basically hit straight at him.
Ok
It was his to his right side, taking him towards 3rd base. He must have decided before the ball was even hit that he was going to 3rd if the ball was hit to that side, no matter how slight. That makes zero sense, hence the reason I say he was tense.
As others have pointed out, the lead runner was meaningless in a 2 run game.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 8:56 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:55 am to OceanMan
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Again, y’all are looking at this with the benefit of hindsight and it’s obvious.
I feel like the announcers immediately jumped on it. Perhaps even during the play as he was throwing to 3rd.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:57 am to RB10
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It was his to his right side, taking him towards 3rd bas
I just watched the replay just now, and this is just not true. Really don't know how else to put it but it's just factually incorrect.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:58 am to Lester Earl
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Theriot (and anyone that watches a lot of baseball) knows the double play balls are generally attacked if they are not scorched.
Well, I watch over a hundred baseball games a year for the past 5 years and probably about 50-75 a year in the 30 years before that so i don't fall in that category...it looked to me like from his body language on the throw to third he almost realized mid throw he made the wrong decision. That ball was hit pretty hard and he had plenty of time to convert the DP.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 8:59 am to kciDAtaE
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I feel like the announcers immediately jumped on it. Perhaps even during the play as he was throwing to 3rd.
Great Replay of it 19:50 mark and reactions at 2:10
He never even considered turning it. He immediately went to 3rd when the ball was hit to his right side. He’d decided that’s what he was doing in that situation, which makes no sense.
I was wrong before, I thought he kind of lobbed it over to 3rd but he didn’t. He snapped it over there like that was his intent the whole time. It’s crazy.
Peterson and Blair couldn’t believe it.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 9:00 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:01 am to BobBoucher
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Great take. Gotta want the ball with a plan.
He’ll be better for it. So will Dickinson
The 9th inning was a great learning experience for both teams. I'm just happy LSU won the game from the experience. I know these guys talk about and practice what to do in those situations but it's not real until it's real and that is a different level of pressure than practice.
But in those situations coaching is so important. Get a meeting on the mound and remind everyone of their responsibilities.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:02 am to lsupride87
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You simply don’t know your arse from a hole in the ground here
No, you are just being a typical know-it-all that completely ignores context.
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Let’s say they don’t get the lead runner and don’t make the double play You have first and third with 2 outs
Let’s say, instead, you don’t make the play because the first baseman doesn’t catch the ball. You have a one run game. Which coincidentally had already happened for the other team, and the guy that scored was fielding the play in question.
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However, with the decision he made, it was 1st and 2nd 2 outs. For the tying run at 1st to score, the runner at 2nd will score as well and it’s inconsequential
But once he scores, that trail runner means everything. I played baseball too, I understand the philosophy here, but these textbook plays don’t exactly consider being the last inning of a season where the risk of an error is catastrophic.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:02 am to bbap
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I just watched the replay just now, and this is just not true. Really don't know how else to put it but it's just factually incorrect.
You’re saying it’s factually incorrect that the ball was hit to his right side?
He took 3 steps to his right to field it.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 9:03 am
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:03 am to RB10
im saying its factually incorrect that his momentum was taking him to his right, which is what you said. it was 2 feet to his right but he couldnt have fielded it more squared up if he tried. absolutely zero momentum taking him to 3rd.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 9:05 am to Tiger Ugly
He knew he made the wrong decision for sure. Theriot didn’t mean that he should fully charge the ball. But a step or two forward to gain ground is common on a play like that to a)get into better position to turn it b)touch the ball a split second sooner to ensure you beat the runner.
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