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re: Rewatching our offense with Jordan Jefferson at the helm
Posted on 5/16/20 at 11:46 am to Maximus
Posted on 5/16/20 at 11:46 am to Maximus
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Rickey was also one of the worst multi year starters in sec history. Terrible against the run and pass.
Old LSU ate their own. It was accepted for too long because the program wasn’t where everyone dreamed it could be. 2019 exceeded the dreams.
New LSU will lift the program up when things don’t go well. “One team, one heartbeat” means something. Get on board.
There are enough Louisianians who choose not to play for LSU. Hate them. I’ll pull for the guys who want to be with us. Throwing an INT for LSU isn’t nearly as bad as wearing the red helmet.
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Posted on 5/16/20 at 11:59 am to Roaad
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Roaad
Pretty good account.
I try to remember my Tigers in the best light. The JJ I remember competed hard, was tough as any, ran the plays that were called.
He had a good skill set and when we organized the offense around it, the offense could function.
We blamed him for holding the ball too long but that's how he was coached so as not to repeat the '08 int fest.
We blame him for the debacle but both he and DeAngelo said the same thing, i.e., we didn't run the offense we practiced for.
And my favorite, we scored 21 second half points vs Bama in '10 after we opened up the offense. I think JJ could play. Unfortunately, he played in the Leschemblecker era.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 11:59 am to lsu711
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Jordan Jefferson is a great Tiger.
Never understood the need to badmouth a guy who did his best at LSU. And the fact that a whole parade of QBs also sucked in that time span ought to tell people that it wasn’t just the QB that was the problem. Horrible scheme didn’t do anyone any favors. The defenses knew what was coming.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 12:08 pm to AlwysATgr
He had a great game against TAM in the 2010 Cotton, I think.
The QB play and offense in general were bad after the 2008 debacle. JL was ok if not asked to do too much but was hopeless against Bama. Mett was good in 2013 but considering he was a senior with a lot of experience and had all world WRs, that’s an outlier. After Mett was more horrible QB play.
So why pick on JJ?
The QB play and offense in general were bad after the 2008 debacle. JL was ok if not asked to do too much but was hopeless against Bama. Mett was good in 2013 but considering he was a senior with a lot of experience and had all world WRs, that’s an outlier. After Mett was more horrible QB play.
So why pick on JJ?
Posted on 5/16/20 at 12:11 pm to Kester5144
We were slightly more open with Crowton.
JJ just wasn’t good.
JJ just wasn’t good.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 12:19 pm to Maximus
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JJ was a team cancer and a terrible player. Even got Mathieu in trouble after JJ's career was over. Rickey was also one of the worst multi year starters in sec history. Terrible against the run and pass.
I met Ricky he seemed like a better man than me, did this family do something to you that we don't know about?
Posted on 5/16/20 at 12:24 pm to SammyTiger
Any quarterback that had even a slight amount of success under les fricking miles should have their number retired. People talking shite about a QB with the numbers JJ had while playing for that coaching regime? fricking ignorant
Posted on 5/16/20 at 12:28 pm to Kester5144
We'll never know how good any of those QBs could've been with a real coaching staff. Brain-Les chewed through QBs like he did grass
Posted on 5/16/20 at 12:33 pm to Tiger on the Rag
Yeah a 6’4 safety without smooth hips who runs a 4.8.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 12:39 pm to choupic
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remember JJ having a very slow throwing motion. Seems like it took forever to go through his motion.
This could’ve been fixed if we had proper/knowledgeable qb couching back then. He could’ve been good.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 12:42 pm to minvielle
Ok...
Did JJ Ever have a slight amount of success?
Did JJ Ever have a slight amount of success?
Posted on 5/16/20 at 12:43 pm to Kester5144
les miles sucked beyond comprehension. I'm giving JJ a pass.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 12:46 pm to arcalades
He really was mentally handicapped I think, recruiting dual-threat QBs for a Bo Schembechler offense?? I think LSU is still suffering from his idiocy to an extent, you hear recruits talk about how they want to see if last season's offense was a flash in the pan
Posted on 5/16/20 at 1:04 pm to atltiger6487
quote:Yes. Yes he was.
really, Lee was psychologically broken?
Stats padded against cupcakes. Hell, iirc 75% of his throws were behing the los. Against good teams, he played terribly.
Here he is vs decent teams:
Oregon:
10-22 98 yards 1td
WVU (his best game against a good team, by alot):
16-28 180 yds 3TDs
Bama:
3/7 24 yds 2 INT
Every other team he started against, finished with at least 5 losses.
That was a VERY down year for the SEC.
I am not defending Jordan, or propping him up at all. But this Uncle Rico attitude of "If coach had just put Lee in, we coulda won state!" has to stop.
Neither QB was any good. Jordan would have put up similar numbers, had he played those broke arse teams.
This post was edited on 5/16/20 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 5/16/20 at 1:08 pm to Roaad
A true JJ fan aren’t you. Jefferson’s best game as a Tiger was vs. Arkansas in 2011. After that he sucked bigtime. And to be honest he wasn’t that good before that.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 1:11 pm to Roaad
Lee was completely rattled in TTown, I think he would've done better at a neutral site, we probably still lose though
Posted on 5/16/20 at 1:13 pm to Mithridates6
Lee sucked arse. I don’t know why people hype him up so much. Whether it wasn’t his fault or not and he and JJ were a product of a shitty system you can argue. But he sucked arse in whatever we were running. Les should have been fired in 2013 after ruining that team
Posted on 5/16/20 at 1:16 pm to dukke v
quote:I hope this is sarcasm. Or are we back to the "if you say anything negative about Lee, you are a JJ fan" mentality of fandom?
A true JJ fan aren’t you.
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Neither QB was any good.
Or from my previous post:
quote:
Jefferson suffered in a severely restrained offense. It was all Miles.
The offense looked better in 2011 against cupcakes with Lee, so it fostered an artificial controversy.
Jefferson couldn't throw with touch. Lee floated too many off his back foot. Jefferson had a painfully slow release. Lee got scared in the pocket.
The only reason Jefferson kept getting the nod over Lee is his ability to run when the play broke down. And with the terrible offense Miles established, the play was inevitably going to break down.
Neither QB had any business leading this team. Blame Perrilloux for that.
After Lee's abysmal 08 Freshman year, Miles got scared and handcuffed the offense. He also hid Lee, which probably broke the kid psychologically.It was apparently a philosophy change that he couldn't shake.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 1:19 pm to Roaad
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Stats padded against cupcakes
This is s a Rickydaddy level post.
Posted on 5/16/20 at 1:21 pm to Mithridates6
quote:Lee was rattled by Bama, period.
Lee was completely rattled in TTown
08 he threw 4 INTs
09 4/10 1 INT
10 4/7 in relief
Again, not like Jordan was better all around. He just kept getting the nod, because he could run.
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