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re: Reflections from the 1st weekend of SEC ball

Posted on 3/20/23 at 2:42 pm to
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 3/20/23 at 2:42 pm to
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Anyone and everyone is better as a reliver since you simply arent being asked to extend like a starter


Nah that’s not always true. The experiences of doing each are markedly different.

Preparation
Pressure
Situational

And you definitely want a guy to miss bats and that really isn’t Shores right now
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 3/20/23 at 2:54 pm to
This not the typical "the umps were terrible" rant, but the strike zone, for both teams, all weekend long was totally unpredictable. There was more than a few occasions, again, both teams, where I thought the batter was going to be rung up, only for the pitch to be a ball. All credit to the players, as except for a few occasions when an aggie made a face, the batters were pretty stoic. There was one pitch where Morgan took a questionable called 3rd strike & as he turned to the dugout, CJJ simply shook his head & motioned Morgan back to the dugout. Fron LSU's perspective, a few called strike 3's at certain game situations & the pitchers' stats would have looked a lot better.
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 3/20/23 at 2:57 pm to
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He was put into a bad spot yesterday, came in to face 3 LH and then they subbed the last two. It was too early to play matchup, and A&M being desperate, called the bluff and it paid off. He shouldn’t have been in that spot anyway but it is where the game was lost


I do think he was too quick to pull out the hook on Hurd and 3 LH batters probably played into his decision making process. Hurd was laboring, but I think Johnson will think twice the next time if Ackenhausen isn’t available. I just don’t think there is as much talent in the pen as you do in cases where Johnson decides the starter is done.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/20/23 at 2:57 pm to
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Nah that’s not always true. The experiences of doing each are markedly different.



It would always be true if the mental aspect wouldn't be a part of things. It's a huge advantage as a pitcher to know you only have to get 1-6 outs maybe as a reliver and likely not face the same guy twice vs. facing a lineup 2-3-4 times through. Anyone's strikeout numbers, walk numbers and ERA would simply be better all mental side/physical side things equal if you got to live as a reliever over a starter.

In the end right now to me it's simply about Floyd has been able to extend plenty of times in the past, Shores hasn't and is struggling some with his WHIP in comparison to Floyd. Shores will get there, just not right now.
Posted by WestlakeTiger
San Antonio, Tejas
Member since Feb 2012
9467 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 3:00 pm to
I was there Saturday and Morgan kept hitting into the small shift. He's a middle hitter and teams know it.

Thompson is solid at SS. Great arm.

Kling looked absolutely lost. Struck out looking bases loaded and with two on. Unacceptable.

Jones is a big ol boy
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
70907 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 3:01 pm to
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This not the typical "the umps were terrible" rant, but the strike zone, for both teams, all weekend long was totally unpredictable. There was more than a few occasions, again, both teams, where I thought the batter was going to be rung up, only for the pitch to be a ball. All credit to the players, as except for a few occasions when an aggie made a face, the batters were pretty stoic. There was one pitch where Morgan took a questionable called 3rd strike & as he turned to the dugout, CJJ simply shook his head & motioned Morgan back to the dugout. Fron LSU's perspective, a few called strike 3's at certain game situations & the pitchers' stats would have looked a lot better.



It was most definitely not a pitcher friendly weekend for most part (batters at times as well). When you're questioning a ball or strike almost every AB it really messes with pitchers, it CLEARLY got to Floyd and was bugging him a few times.

Skenes was the ONLY starting pitcher all weekend who didnt struggle between both teams. Dettmer for A&M might have went 6 innings but he still gave up 4 walks in the process. Every other starter got ran after less than 4 innings.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 3/20/23 at 3:04 pm to
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All in all I said I would be ecstatic to take 2/3 on the road against what is most likely going to be LSU's toughest road series this year. The schedule is so incredibly front loaded so LSU can afford to take 1-2 stumbles over the next two weeks.


Getting to close with Auburn, Mississippi State, and Georgia is going to make for a fun May.
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Member since Oct 2007
70907 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 3:06 pm to
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Getting to close with Auburn, Mississippi State, and Georgia is going to make for a fun May.



Alabama before Auburn as well in late April, not the worst way to close out the regular season.

If we can come out the first 3 weekend 6-3 @ A&M, Ark and UT...we would really be setting ourselves up well.
This post was edited on 3/20/23 at 3:07 pm
Posted by Adam4848
LA
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Posted on 3/20/23 at 3:12 pm to
Posted by IM_4_LSU
Augusta, GA
Member since Mar 2014
9940 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 3:45 pm to
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As for Floyd, I still think he should be moved to the bullpen. How much of a luxury would it have been to go to him yesterday? I think he pitches better being thrown into the moment, and in short spurts. As a starter, he throws too many pitches and has always had issues with walks. He isn't going to go deep into games to begin with.

- Which brings me to my next thought, Chase Shores should replace him in the rotation.


I just don't think you put the freshmen who struggles with walks in the starting rotation in the first half of the SEC Schedule. I just see him getting either long relief out of the bullpen or a second closure role for the first half of the SEC Schedule at the minimum.

It would not shock me to see him get into the rotation in the back end of the SEC schedule but I don't see Jay making that switch until hes logged some meaningful SEC innings
Posted by IM_4_LSU
Augusta, GA
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 3/20/23 at 3:48 pm to
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For sure, but i just saw a lot of people holding it against him in the game thread. That is almost an impossible situation.


And he nearly got out of it. If it wasn't for letting the pitches get away from him after the back to back K's they would have been praising both Little and Jay. That walk just kind of derailed things. That one at bat the difference between praise and blame. But Little still looked good and I would wager when he comes in that situation again, he gets out of it.
Posted by TigerKing19
Mississippi Gulf Coast
Member since Aug 2020
1033 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 4:33 pm to
Nice breakdown!
Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
20030 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 5:30 pm to
Great stuff - pitching may end up being the Achilles heel of this team.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
28415 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 5:36 pm to
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All in all I said I would be ecstatic to take 2/3 on the road against what is most likely going to be LSU's toughest road series this year. The schedule is so incredibly front loaded so LSU can afford to take 1-2 stumbles over the next two weeks.

I posted this EXACT same thing and was downvoted into oblivion. What a difference a day makes!
This post was edited on 3/20/23 at 5:37 pm
Posted by GoDeepCoach
Bossier
Member since Sep 2010
851 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 6:17 pm to
I 100% agree with everything you said. I hardly ever do that. I hope Dugas is seeing the ball well. Lost eye contact one game, wore goggles/ glasses next game and no glasses third game. I agree he will never be a great 2nd baseman but is serviceable. Thompson is much improved at fielding. We have great potential. The problem we had with A&M was relief pitchers walking and hitting batters. That’s why we lost game 3. Should have swept them. I also agree that coach Jay puts too much trust in Cooper. I think it may be a bit of favoritism. I hope not
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
47491 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 6:17 pm to
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People give you shite on here and so do I—when you deserve it. But this is an excellent analysis.

It is a good analysis.

However, CJJ did not mismanage Little on Sunday. He was counting on getting one out before calling him and it just wasn’t delivered.

If you want to make an argument about mismanaging Little maybe you can say he should have been pulled with the six run lead Friday. I don’t really agree with that, but it’s an argument.

Also, Floyd can’t go to the bullpen yet unless CJJ thinks Shores is ready to make a jump. Otherwise we would be digging a hole on Saturday.
Posted by SoloTiger
Member since Aug 2016
10344 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 6:28 pm to
Can't find much to argue with. As long as people realize Shores is going to be a work in progress as a starter it is not a bad option to move him to Sunday and Hurd to Saturday.

My biggest take away from the weekend was Pearson's bat finally waking up.

Big boost to the line up if he keeps hitting.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
285226 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 6:28 pm to
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CJJ did not mismanage Little on Sunday


Didn’t say he mismanaged Little. I said he mismanaged the game a little at the end. Would have not brought Shores out to start the 8th. Little should have gotten the ball to start the inning.

Little in a tough spot due to mismanagement
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
87083 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 6:30 pm to
Great write up baw
Posted by SoloTiger
Member since Aug 2016
10344 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 6:33 pm to
The balls/strikes were pretty ridiculous from this crew. I didn't care for any of their zones based on TV view, although I will admit the center field camera at A$M was offset more than most.

A$M gave up 18 friggin walks in the first 2 games alone. It's no wonder LSU dominated those 2 games.

A$M's 2 lefty relievers were the difference on Sunday. Lamkin is going to be moved to a starting role you can bank on that.
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