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re: Record for a "Good season"
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:42 am to LNCHBOX
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:42 am to LNCHBOX
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Record for a "Good season"10 wins without the bowl. I have been very vocal against 0, but as long as we win at a high clip I don't care who the coach is.
10 wins without the bowl. I have been very vocal against "O", but as long as we win at a high clip I don't care who the coach is.
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Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:43 am to BayouBengal99
That’s the thing, how can O outcoach other coaches?
If the defense is smothering we know that’s DA. We all know that. Joe knows that otherwise he wouldn’t have paid him 2.5 Million dollars.
If the offense is great than I will Give O tons of credit for making the move of hiring E.
But when it comes to outcoaching people I dont See where Os coaching actually shows up on the field outside maybe the DL and pass rushers.
If the defense is smothering we know that’s DA. We all know that. Joe knows that otherwise he wouldn’t have paid him 2.5 Million dollars.
If the offense is great than I will Give O tons of credit for making the move of hiring E.
But when it comes to outcoaching people I dont See where Os coaching actually shows up on the field outside maybe the DL and pass rushers.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:49 am to SammyTiger
O stayed on par with what Les Miles did since 2014. If he can't raise that within 3 to 4 years and then keep it at a high standard from then on, while also beating Bama consistently, then he should go. That's what he was brought here to do. Raise our standard higher.
So 10 wins a season is good enough every season as long as he beats Bama every once in awhile? I say it's not good enough. He needs to take us to where 10 wins is the floor. Les Miles was NOT doing that toward his latter years. That's what I'm saying.
So 10 wins a season is good enough every season as long as he beats Bama every once in awhile? I say it's not good enough. He needs to take us to where 10 wins is the floor. Les Miles was NOT doing that toward his latter years. That's what I'm saying.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:50 am to CelticDog
Phil Steele has the Tigers 5th in the SEC West, behind Bama, Auburn, Aggy and Miss St, and ahead of only Arky and Ole Miss!
And that's w/ Joe Burrow factored in.
I know Phil is historically very accurate in his outlooks, and he uses intricate, complex algorithms to come up with this prediction. Nevertheless it's ridiculous. Any reputable coach could win 10 games with this unit, not just Saban and Smart, but even Jimbo, Mullen, Moorhead, Luke and Pruitt!
Steele's assessment just underscores with what low esteem Coach Orgeron is held.
And that's w/ Joe Burrow factored in.
I know Phil is historically very accurate in his outlooks, and he uses intricate, complex algorithms to come up with this prediction. Nevertheless it's ridiculous. Any reputable coach could win 10 games with this unit, not just Saban and Smart, but even Jimbo, Mullen, Moorhead, Luke and Pruitt!
Steele's assessment just underscores with what low esteem Coach Orgeron is held.
This post was edited on 7/16/18 at 11:37 am
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:51 am to benoit_BayouBengals
Hopefully we haven’t put LSU through the trama that comes with the firing of a successful coach to be satisfied with the same record that the previous coach put up, 9 wins, 3 seasons ago.
9 wins wasn’t acceptable in 2015. 9 wins shouldn’t be acceptable in 2018. The LSU SOS had been top 3-10 nationally for the last 7 yes or so but for 2017. I don’t remember much call for grading our results on the curve cause we played a hard schedule during those seasons, but I do seem to remember the chant of “any coach can win 10 games a season at LSU.”
Anything under 10-3 is not acceptable.
9 wins wasn’t acceptable in 2015. 9 wins shouldn’t be acceptable in 2018. The LSU SOS had been top 3-10 nationally for the last 7 yes or so but for 2017. I don’t remember much call for grading our results on the curve cause we played a hard schedule during those seasons, but I do seem to remember the chant of “any coach can win 10 games a season at LSU.”
Anything under 10-3 is not acceptable.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:55 am to benoit_BayouBengals
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Record for a "Good season"
We could go 1-2 vs. Auburn/Georgia/Bama
And 3-1 vs. Miami/Miss St./Florida/TAMU
Win all the others
And be a really good 9-3 team. Like borderline top-10 good.
That's how tough this schedule is.
This post was edited on 7/16/18 at 11:18 am
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:56 am to BayouBengal99
I would Agree with you that Miles wasn’t living up to the standard, but I dont Think the standard has been lowered and I dont Think O should get 3-4 years just to get back to the standard.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:56 am to Old
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10 wins without the bowl. I have been very vocal against "O", but as long as we win at a high clip I don't care who the coach is.
Nah, he's still 0 to me until he's done something to change it.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:56 am to SammyTiger
So he gets no credit when he beats other teams BUT he's crucified as the dumbest thing on the field when he loses?
That is what's laughable. If he finds a way to beat these so called great HCs, he will get all the credit he deserves, whether you're willing to or not.
Who do you think is running the program behind the scenes keeping these kids attitudes where they need to be? Who's got his hand in bringing in the talent? Who designs the practice schedules? Who comes up with the overall game plan and attack? The HC does all that and much more so if he wins he does indeed get the credit but if he loses he'll get the blame there too.
That is what's laughable. If he finds a way to beat these so called great HCs, he will get all the credit he deserves, whether you're willing to or not.
Who do you think is running the program behind the scenes keeping these kids attitudes where they need to be? Who's got his hand in bringing in the talent? Who designs the practice schedules? Who comes up with the overall game plan and attack? The HC does all that and much more so if he wins he does indeed get the credit but if he loses he'll get the blame there too.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:57 am to RidiculousHype
2+2=3?
Posted on 7/16/18 at 10:58 am to benoit_BayouBengals
O was sold as being an immediate improvement over Miles, so 10 wins. O has everything he wants now, no excuses.
This post was edited on 7/16/18 at 10:59 am
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:00 am to tarzana
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Any reputable coach could win 10 games with this unit
LSU hates reputable coaches.
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Has 7 Ten Win Seasons...All other LSU Head Coaches combined have 7
Only LSU coach with more than two 10 win seasons...He has 7
Only LSU coach to ever post 3 straight 10 win seasons....He has now done it twice
Only LSU coach to ever post 4 straight 10 win seasons
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:01 am to DeltaDoc
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Anything less than 10 wins and a major bowl is a failure. It’s ridiculous to conclude otherwise. Miles was fired for less. The standard didn’t change or lessen when he was terminated and O knew the standard when he interviewed for the job.
Program will never make it's way back with this kind of attitude. If that's the kind of expectations you're putting on the program, you'll be replacing your head coach every few seasons and that would put a black eye on the program in the coaching community. You have to understand who you are at this current time and build expectations from there.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:04 am to Lonnie4LSU
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9 wins, 3 seasons ago
That's only part of the story. LSU started out 7-0 that season. Leonard Fournette was becoming a popular choice for the Heisman. The following game vs Bama and LF was handcuffed and a bad Tiger defence turned Derrick Henry into the Heisman choice!
LSU proceeded to be routed in its next two games, even by an underdog Arkansas team at home. IMHO, Miles couldn't leave quickly enough.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:06 am to SammyTiger
Well I didn't say 3-4 years to get back to 10 wins which was the standard Les Miles set.
I said raise that to where 10 wins is the floor, LSU is beating Bama consistently and we are in playoff contention yearly. If he has an off year here and there I'm sure people would be ok with that but not fall off for 2-3 years then a good season every 6 or 7 while losing to Bama every year. That's what Les was doing and that's not going to get it done.
I admit that he was brought here to exceed what Les Miles did. That was a high standard but LSU can honestly do better IMO. If he isn't the guy to get that done then he should go. 6-6 or 7-5 is grounds for firing. 8-4 is a disappointment. Think about who we would have to lose to at 6-6 or 7-5. That's absurd with the type of defense we have. I just can't see that. Put your bets in now.
I said raise that to where 10 wins is the floor, LSU is beating Bama consistently and we are in playoff contention yearly. If he has an off year here and there I'm sure people would be ok with that but not fall off for 2-3 years then a good season every 6 or 7 while losing to Bama every year. That's what Les was doing and that's not going to get it done.
I admit that he was brought here to exceed what Les Miles did. That was a high standard but LSU can honestly do better IMO. If he isn't the guy to get that done then he should go. 6-6 or 7-5 is grounds for firing. 8-4 is a disappointment. Think about who we would have to lose to at 6-6 or 7-5. That's absurd with the type of defense we have. I just can't see that. Put your bets in now.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:19 am to MOT
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2+2=3?
Meant to put 3-1 in the second group. Fixed now.
Bottom line, if our only losses are close ones to Bama, @Aub, and let's say @Fla, we'd have a bunch of quality wins and be a highly ranked 9-3.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:23 am to RidiculousHype
9-3 WITH a bowl win (10 wins total)
It wasn't the Troy and State games that did me in on 2017. It was that loss to NDame and O's stupidity on the goal line.
It wasn't the Troy and State games that did me in on 2017. It was that loss to NDame and O's stupidity on the goal line.
This post was edited on 7/16/18 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:37 am to benoit_BayouBengals
9-3 would be a good season if the team does not shite the bed in any games (Miss st, Troy last season). It would be good but not great. I don’t think O loses his job with a 9-3 season as long as the games are competitive.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:40 am to phantom70815
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I’m not an O fan, but I will concede that 9-3 is adequate for this year’s schedule. Next year, 10-2 is the minimum.
9-3 would let him keep his job. He better make the playoffs next year.
Posted on 7/16/18 at 11:41 am to RidiculousHype
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We could go 1-2 vs. Auburn/Georgia/Bama
And 3-1 vs. Miami/Miss St./Florida/TAMU
Win all the others
And be a really good 9-3 team. Like borderline top-10 good.
That's how tough this schedule is.
that doesn't make the schedule "tough"
plus, as had been stated by other posters, LSU is facing 5 teams with first year head coaches. throw in the 4 non conference games, which LSU has only 4 of those in the last 18 years, and thats 9 wins right there.
beat one of bama, auburn or UGA, and ta-da, 10 win season.
no go out and win. no more excuses.
no one cares how tough the schedule is.
no one cares that you have a new OC because you fired the old one
just. go. win.
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