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rbdallas
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re: Rational v. Emotional thinking: the posi-nega distinction
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I'm not a CheeriO but I don't think anything concrete has happened to warrant being fired. Canada didn't do his job last year, he was fired. If O doesn't improve this year with Ensminger running the offense, both will likely be gone.


sorta agree, except for "they will be gone" next year part...the schedule is brutal. He will get year 3.
I think a lot of emphasis will be placed in play style and HOW the losses happen.


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LSU GrandDad
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re: Rational v. Emotional thinking: the posi-nega distinction
to spin that the group of hysterical, whining, sky is falling juveniles on here are reacting rationaly is absolutely incredible.

they may expect an outcome but most of their information used to "process" is rumor, opinion and not factual. that, my friend is an emotional gut reaction to news the CONSIDER unfavorable. yes, they have some points to back their reaction but they are jumping off the cliff BEFORE their result happens or even comes near to happening.

negatigers are not rational at all. the rational reaction is one that remains calm and adopts a wait and see attitude. it can certainly involve expressing disappointment but not involve hesterics and espouses rumors as fact. not all are this way, of course, but most certainly are.

there is some information available (past records, accomplishments, etc) but there is NO credible information to support the BS championed on here. there are too many made up stories.


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BeeFense5
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re: Rational v. Emotional thinking: the posi-nega distinction
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his two coordinators = Miles hires. His best staffer (Raymond)= Miles hire. At this point, why did we fire Les again?


We honestly should have just completely cleaned house. This path we are on isn't a good one where you just keep recycling the culture you wanted to change.


BilJ
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re: Rational v. Emotional thinking: the posi-nega distinction
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Orders Ensminger to put USC or Miami (preferably both) on resume to comply with binder's requirement for hiring.




O forgot to do his homework so now he's frantically trying to copy an old paper and turn it in


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BilJ
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re: Rational v. Emotional thinking: the posi-nega distinction
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We honestly should have just completely cleaned house.


I really can't ever recall a coach being fired but the majority of staff is kept in tact. That just doesn't make any sense


doctatigah
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re: Rational v. Emotional thinking: the posi-nega distinction
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this thread is about the methods of formulation, primarily between a set of binary choices (either we are implementing a strategy for elite results consistently or we're not. either we're imlpementingt hat strategy efficiently or we're not)


Christ, this reads like the papers my undergrad students submit after chugging redbull and reading Wikipedia. You’re using a lot of technical jargon in ways that are not reflective of the actual meanings of those concepts.


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SlowFlowPro
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re: Rational v. Emotional thinking: the posi-nega distinction
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. When in fact there is every indication that our actual team could be much- improved next year based on interior line play, a pretty filthy defense

we will be breaking in a true Sophomore QB with super limited experience due to O's meddling in teh previous coordinator. we may not have SEC-quality RBs above true freshman status and will be replacing our primary WRs with more talented guys than the previous starters but who haven't been able to grasp college offenses.

oh yeah, and they'll all be learning a new offense under a guy who hasn't been hired to run an offense in decades, iirc.

there are a TON of question marks on offense next year, which is why making the correct OC hire LAST year was so important (and why the mistake is so dire for 2018). the offense cannot be a excuse for a spun "rebuild" two years in a row when the major selling point of O was to AVOID any rebuilding

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And I also realize ( as so many others refuse to acknowledge) that I am only operating with a fraction of the information needed to analyze the actual facts.

you don't have to have an intricate understanding of all things going on in the FB ops building to understand the patterns of what makes a successful-elite program. when you look at those patterns and look at O, there is almost no overlap.


SlowFlowPro
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re: Rational v. Emotional thinking: the posi-nega distinction
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But all you really did was say that CheeriOs' are emotional thinkers, and negatigers are rational thinkers, but you NEVER explained WHY each side's arguments can be described as you suggest. You surely defined what emotional and rational thinking are, but, again, you NEVER explained WHY CheeriOs are emotional thinkers and negatigers are rational thinkers.



this isn't true but i didn't get into details b/c (1) the post was long enough already and (2) i tried to simplify it for the CheeriOs. after my morning appointments i can add more if you're still around


The Goat
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re: Rational v. Emotional thinking: the posi-nega distinction
We couldn’t get Jimbo. We went with O. He’s had a couple bumps along the way. I’m cool with him until next year. If he falters next year, show him the door

But enough already with the screaming hissy fit of the O haters. shite gets old.


madddoggydawg
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re: Rational v. Emotional thinking: the posi-nega distinction
Hey OP: did not read.


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therick711
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re: Rational v. Emotional thinking: the posi-nega distinction
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I really can't ever recall a coach being fired but the majority of staff is kept in tact. That just doesn't make any sense


That's because this wasn't typical. This was a staff coup. Someone who likely "talks like us" leaked to local media that the staff was growing "frustrated" by having great gameplans scrapped on gameday by meddling from the head coach. I wonder who would tell Jordy and Coach P that stuff. If only there was someone with a known connection to that show that possibly had a weekly segment on that show that would shed some light on to how that information was disseminated. I guess we'll be left to speculated that it was BDP.


BilJ
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re: Rational v. Emotional thinking: the posi-nega distinction
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which is why making the correct OC hire LAST year was so important


easy to hire a bitch to fire. Especially for a program trying to lift off, particularly for this regime that needed to establish early success.


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SlowFlowPro
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re: Rational v. Emotional thinking: the posi-nega distinction
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That's because this wasn't typical. This was a staff coup.

to an extent

Alleva truly believed that all we needed was a slight tweak of the Miles' program and we were on Bama's level again

that's not an unreasonable assessment

the problem is that he hired a guy who had never been trusted to run a defense to oversee the entire program to implement these tweaks

you knew shite hit the fan last year when the "rebuild" narrative began to be promoted. that's basically shitting all over Alleva


Topwater Trout
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you NEVER explained WHY CheeriOs are emotional thinkers and negatigers are rational thinkers.



he doesn't have an explanation I already asked him how the same people on this board have flipped from one to the other and he said they saw the light.


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re: Rational v. Emotional thinking: the posi-nega distinction
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his two coordinators = Miles hires. His best staffer (Raymond)= Miles hire. At this point, why did we fire Les again?


We honestly should have just completely cleaned house. This path we are on isn't a good one where you just keep recycling the culture you wanted to change.


After we get rid of whathaveyou, there are only a few people in the administration who should get the opportunity to re-apply for their current positions. But that is not guaranteed they will get hired.

Aranda(if he doesn't get the HC job, he's probably out of here anyway) and Corey Raymond should be able to interview. I feel sorry for guys like Raymond.

I agree that the program has become stale and a lot of these coaches are resting on their fat backs. I think people like Bonnette should be ousted because LSU PR dept is a nightmare.


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LNCHBOX
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re: Rational v. Emotional thinking: the posi-nega distinction
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he doesn't have an explanation I already asked him how the same people on this board have flipped from one to the other and he said they saw the light.



But Miles, But Miles

Miles needed to go. O sucks. Someone can think both of those things, and that appears to be news to you.


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Topwater Trout
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re: Rational v. Emotional thinking: the posi-nega distinction
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But enough already with the screaming hissy fit of the O haters. shite gets old.



they are an emotional group


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therick711
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re: Rational v. Emotional thinking: the posi-nega distinction
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Alleva truly believed that all we needed was a slight tweak of the Miles' program and we were on Bama's level again

that's not an unreasonable assessment



Yes it is. It is one of those things that is meretricious. Miles' philosophy was play the game close, win it in the fourth quarter, be physical. If you make slight tweaks to that, you get the Mississippi State game. I, at the time, noted we were not playing a complimentary style of football. I further noted that not having an overarching, cohesive plan is the problem with this particular CEO approach. The Miles system can't be tweaked as tried this year.

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you knew shite hit the fan last year when the "rebuild" narrative began to be promoted. that's basically shitting all over Alleva


Jordy Culotta, like an obedient lapdog, set out to sell that narrative everywhere. The cupboard is bear. LSU isn't good enough to keep a game against Mississippi State within four touchdowns.
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BilJ
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re: Rational v. Emotional thinking: the posi-nega distinction
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That's because this wasn't typical. This was a staff coup. Someone who likely "talks like us" leaked to local media that the staff was growing "frustrated" by having great gameplans scrapped on gameday by meddling from the head coach. I wonder who would tell Jordy and Coach P that stuff. If only there was someone with a known connection to that show that possibly had a weekly segment on that show that would shed some light on to how that information was disseminated. I guess we'll be left to speculated that it was BDP.


DP had some carefully placed articles in his 411 section on the website after the Wisconsin loss....shortly later became O's very first. Purely a coincidence I'm sure


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LSU GrandDad
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re: Rational v. Emotional thinking: the posi-nega distinction
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they tried to spin 2017 into a rebuild once we hit rough patches and that's a major flag. when you are hired to avoid a rebuild, sold yourself as the guy to give the program a slight tweak to become elite again, and then you IMMEDIATELY claim rebuilding status..


I never heard Orgeron claim a complete rebuild. many on here did. and I never heard O was hired to avoid a rebuild. I think it is just your spin. was there a rebuild needed? well, if you think our OL didn't need a rebuilt, god help your. our DL rebuild was already in progress but depth was not achieved yet and that was evident when Lawrence and alexander and key were out. but, let's not nit pick over semantics; the fact is that this years team had some holes in it that prevented it challenging for the SEC. unfortunately those holes were critical. if you don't think starting 3 freshmen of the OL is a tough row to hoe then i'm sorry.

yes, O was hire to save last years recruiting class and to continue the program with a minimum of interruption. if he had not been the interim, he never would have got the job. we really should have fired miles the year before or at the end of last year.

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and his overall coordinator-dependent pitch is already a failure because he completely failed at hiring an OC last year adn this year.


what was unfortunate was the beginning of last year with a zillion penalties and major struggling of the offense against MSU and Troy. O probably handled the situation poorly but so did Canada. that was unfortunate to me as I thought canadas system would have worked much better in year two.

and don't act like 9-3 was a disasterous year. O has another year to pull it out. I don't think he'll be able to do it, but the sky ain't fricking falling.


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