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re: Raiders sign QB to start ahead of JR.
Posted on 4/9/09 at 4:01 am to randyb
Posted on 4/9/09 at 4:01 am to randyb
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3 "A" characteristics a quarterback needs to have in order to be successful in the NFL.
"Ability", "Affability", and "A brain"
He can have tremendous ability and be extremely affable to his team mates, but if he doesn't develop a football brain........All the affability and ability won't matter.
its funny how he threw less INTs than those "smart" QB's LSU had
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Posted on 4/9/09 at 4:03 am to randyb
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3 "A" characteristics a quarterback needs to have in order to be successful in the NFL.
"Ability", "Affability", and "A brain"
He can have tremendous ability and be extremely affable to his team mates, but if he doesn't develop a football brain........All the affability and ability won't matter.
Where do you get the notion that he doesnt have a brain???
He was the smartest QB in college football in his final year. I dont care how physically gifted you are, no QB can complete any where near 68% of there passes for an entire college season if they aren't an extremely smart QB.
He had a ho hum rookie year, low completion%, but a decent TD:INT ratio, and ONLY 8 INTs over an entire season.
This JR isn't smart thing is mindboggling to me.
Posted on 4/9/09 at 7:53 am to stompinleo
Just an FYI for the posters that havent even seen a single JaMarcus game in the pros.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 4/9/09 at 10:21 pm to mikelsu15
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As an LSU fan eternally married to Matt Flynn, I receive a great amount of joy from anything negative about JR.
Apparently the sarcasm didn't come through in my post!
Posted on 4/9/09 at 11:01 pm to Rollinblackout
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I think it's a competition.
Exactly. You (plural) can take shots at Garcia's manhood all you want, but he goes in to win the starting job. J.R. better start learning/performing or he's going to be on the trading block with his stock declining, given his salary.
Posted on 4/10/09 at 2:11 am to LA007
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J.R. better start learning/performing or he's going to be on the trading block with his stock declining, given his salary
You say that like he has a history of not performing in the NFL, LOL.
He sat his rookie year, like most every other QB. He started last year as the youngest starting QB in the NFL, and given the talent around him, he didn't do all that bad.
The "JR better start learning/performing" quote is just silly.
I don't get why EVERY other QB gets a couple of years starting to learn the NFL game, but JR should do it IMMEDIATELY.
Posted on 4/10/09 at 2:17 am to shel311
JR didnt sign the contract til around midseason and ended up starting just 1 game his rookie yr. Hes now started a total of 16 games.
Posted on 4/10/09 at 2:36 am to lsu xman
JR just like many QB's before him is stuck and thus will be considered a bust.
He went to a bad team, bad coaching, bad management, bad drafts, bad free agent signings, bad offensive line, bad receivers, bad everything.
You will never see what kind of player he truly is until Raiders make some wholesale changes.
Put JR in the Denver system same one Cutler ran with that offensive line and WR's and he puts up similar numbers.
The longer he stays on Raiders the longer he develops bad habits that would have him out of the league or a career back up.
He went to a bad team, bad coaching, bad management, bad drafts, bad free agent signings, bad offensive line, bad receivers, bad everything.
You will never see what kind of player he truly is until Raiders make some wholesale changes.
Put JR in the Denver system same one Cutler ran with that offensive line and WR's and he puts up similar numbers.
The longer he stays on Raiders the longer he develops bad habits that would have him out of the league or a career back up.
Posted on 4/10/09 at 3:48 am to tduecen
I do agree with everything you just wrote, except for maybe JR putting up similar numbers to Cutler. Not quite yet, but he has the ability.
But, even with all the struggles in Oakland, I still dont get why so many people on here and even articles in the media or saying how this is a make or break year for Russell.
He's what, 23 or 24, starting his 2nd year. This doesn't have to be make or break. Of course you'd like to see some improvement but where exactly do these people expect him to take Oakland, to the Super Bowl? Even Playoffs? Those are some LOFTY goals.
But, even with all the struggles in Oakland, I still dont get why so many people on here and even articles in the media or saying how this is a make or break year for Russell.
He's what, 23 or 24, starting his 2nd year. This doesn't have to be make or break. Of course you'd like to see some improvement but where exactly do these people expect him to take Oakland, to the Super Bowl? Even Playoffs? Those are some LOFTY goals.
Posted on 4/10/09 at 3:51 am to shel311
The best thing that could happen to JR would to be traded to most any other team.
Posted on 4/10/09 at 3:59 am to Oyster
I think he would be similar to Cutler, both have big arms and both are just mobile enough to avoid a rush.
Being Cutler only has been sacked 26 times in 2 years means he had time to get the ball down field to an all-pro receiver.
I think JR would have put up similar or close numbers, maybe even exceeded them. It is really woulda/coulda.
Being 23/24 is not going to matter, if he develops bad habits they will not be easily fixed. Look at Joey Harrington, Akili Smith, Leaf, Carr and list goes on. Of QB's who had enough talent and produced in college but went to very bad teams. Thats why I think you should build a team from inside out. Once you get that base then add to the skill position players.
Being Cutler only has been sacked 26 times in 2 years means he had time to get the ball down field to an all-pro receiver.
I think JR would have put up similar or close numbers, maybe even exceeded them. It is really woulda/coulda.
Being 23/24 is not going to matter, if he develops bad habits they will not be easily fixed. Look at Joey Harrington, Akili Smith, Leaf, Carr and list goes on. Of QB's who had enough talent and produced in college but went to very bad teams. Thats why I think you should build a team from inside out. Once you get that base then add to the skill position players.
Posted on 4/10/09 at 5:11 am to tduecen
I basically agree with your post, I just dont think JR would have done it in his 1st year.
But he definitely has the potential to be as good as Cutler in the next couple of years, but we'll never know because he'll be rotting in Oakland.
But he definitely has the potential to be as good as Cutler in the next couple of years, but we'll never know because he'll be rotting in Oakland.
Posted on 4/10/09 at 7:42 am to shel311
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I don't get why EVERY other QB gets a couple of years starting to learn the NFL game, but JR should do it IMMEDIATELY.
Every other QB wasn't a top draft pick. Every other QB didn't hold out for so long over money, then play average ball at best. Every other QB isn't on the Raiders. You just have to face the fact that a QB in the NFL can't succeed on potential, it has to be winning football games. Stats, college career, woulda, shoulda, coulda, if only given the chance, all fail in the NFL without WINNING.
That said, I loved watching JR with the tigers. What an athlete. He also made good decisions, while staying composed under stressful game situations. But, unfortunately, that's not helping him now. He has to beat out a dependable, proven QB in Garcia.
This post was edited on 4/10/09 at 7:44 am
Posted on 4/10/09 at 8:10 am to tjohn deaux
Garcia is just there as a back-up. The starting job isnt even open IMO.
Carson Palmer(#1) didnt start til his 2nd season with the same QB rating as JR's 2nd.
Phillip Rivers(pick #4)didnt start til his 3rd season.
Eli Manning(#1) QB rating in his first 4 seasons were all lowered than JR's.
VY(#3), Matt Leinart(#10) didnt even seeing the field their 3rd year.
All these QB's outside of VY played their senior season in college too.
Carson Palmer(#1) didnt start til his 2nd season with the same QB rating as JR's 2nd.
Phillip Rivers(pick #4)didnt start til his 3rd season.
Eli Manning(#1) QB rating in his first 4 seasons were all lowered than JR's.
VY(#3), Matt Leinart(#10) didnt even seeing the field their 3rd year.
All these QB's outside of VY played their senior season in college too.
Posted on 4/10/09 at 8:29 am to lsu xman
If anyone saw the Raiders Bucs game last season, JaMarcus looked like the pro while Jeff Garcia looked like the rook. JaMarcus' last 3 games were really good, against 3 good teams. I dont see how he cant build on that.
Posted on 4/10/09 at 9:09 am to lsu xman
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JR didnt sign the contract til around midseason
Just trying to split hairs here - september 10th is before the start of the season.
Posted on 4/10/09 at 9:18 am to ironsides
I think he signed by week 2 or 3, didnt get activated until midseason.
Posted on 4/10/09 at 12:09 pm to maburu2
Didn't he sign a six year contract for about $68 M with $30 M plus, guaranteed? If that is true then this a a big year for JR.
In terms of security for JR and his family that was a wise decision. In terms of his career it put a lot of expectations on him from management and the fans.
In terms of security for JR and his family that was a wise decision. In terms of his career it put a lot of expectations on him from management and the fans.
Posted on 4/10/09 at 12:24 pm to roygu
Jamarcus is progressing, and he has excellent bad decision percentages (some of the lowest in the NFL). With an improved O-line and better WRs, he will be above average or better next season.
Garcia was not good last year, and has little ability to do more than make safe, short throws at this point in his career.
Garcia was not good last year, and has little ability to do more than make safe, short throws at this point in his career.
Posted on 4/10/09 at 12:25 pm to tjohn deaux
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Every other QB didn't hold out for so long over money, then play average ball at best.
he held out because of the injury clause that Al Davis refused to put into his contract.
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