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re: Quit talking about baseball recruiting being a problem.
Posted on 5/31/11 at 11:38 am to GeorgeTheGreek
Posted on 5/31/11 at 11:38 am to GeorgeTheGreek
Smoke and Turtle Thomas could recuit like mother frickers too but the top kids never showed up on campus.. The rankings include all the kids that opt for the draft instead of college... its great to have a highly ranked class and all but if your top guys dont show up then who really gives a shite
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Posted on 5/31/11 at 11:40 am to lsuman242
so the college baseball gods don't finalize the rankings after all the deadlines and what not?
if that's true then that's just silly.
if that's true then that's just silly.
Posted on 5/31/11 at 11:41 am to TigahRag
An experienced hitting coach would be helpful, we've had guys looking absolutely foolish at the plate
Posted on 5/31/11 at 11:44 am to BilJ
yeah, that is my bone of contention with sanchez .. in addition to his moronic base coaching like sending runners home with one out and mahtook on deck, only to get thrown out ... but we have looked foolish up there this season .. and shame on CPM for waiting until the third week of the season to realize you had to bunt and move runners more often because of the bat .. then, started bunting too much at times .. our pitch count management at the plate was horrible this year .. we got into too many 0-2 and 1-2 holes and hit their pitch ..
Posted on 5/31/11 at 11:45 am to lsuman242
It's a double edged sword really, you can't expect the staff to ignore a good talent because of what draft projections say, we wouldn't have our current ace gausman or even jacoby jones using that philosophy.
Posted on 5/31/11 at 11:47 am to lsuman242
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Smoke and Turtle Thomas could recuit like mother frickers too but the top kids never showed up on campus
and to me, that's a myth .. if you are a top ten round prospect around 2000 or 2001, sure you are going to sign with LSU .. it was great leverage to maximize your signing bonus .. so how hard did turtle really have to work to do that ? and then he ran the recruiting budget through the roof because he went back and forth to california to do it ...
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The rankings include all the kids that opt for the draft instead of college...
i know i have seen rankings that included kids we lost to the draft ..
This post was edited on 5/31/11 at 11:48 am
Posted on 5/31/11 at 12:05 pm to lsuman242
bring turtle back
Posted on 5/31/11 at 12:14 pm to TigahRag
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georgie, the "top five" classes designation includes the guys that bolt .. it is not re-evaluated after they sign ..
incorrect
Posted on 5/31/11 at 12:18 pm to LSUlunatic
Does anyone know the real reasons why Luquette was dismissed? As many of the ranters have previously pointed out it sure seems like there have been a high number of players who leave early after getting to campus. I realize the college game lends itself to this somewhat but the last three years have seen a whole lot of roster turnover at LSU. Chemistry has to play a part in the success of a team.
Posted on 5/31/11 at 12:33 pm to TigahRag
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you sure about that ? because i have seen rankings around CWS time before ..
Yeah just look at the couple of links I posted above.
Posted on 5/31/11 at 12:35 pm to Lester Earl
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bring turtle back
If he was coming back to just be the hitting coach, I'd go pick him up right now.
Posted on 5/31/11 at 12:36 pm to TigerDog83
Luquette was an academic casualty, no?
Marcus Davis is the story I never heard
Marcus Davis is the story I never heard
Posted on 5/31/11 at 12:40 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Last year we were #2, and I'm on my phone so don't feel like looking up 2009 but I think we were 1.
does that ranking include players that went pro?
Our FB recruiting class would not be ranked so high if you take out the top 3-5 players hoss.
Posted on 5/31/11 at 12:50 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Even though the class ranking theory has been blown to pieces, you also have to realize people aren't necessarily saying recruiting is the problem. We've just said there is a talent issue. We've had several guys in the last couple classes who could have helped this year but were kicked off the team, had serious injuries, etc.
Guys like Luquette, Davis, and Koziol actually made it to campus but were dismissed for various reasons. Garrett was highly thought of but has been injured since he stepped foot on campus.
There will be attrition this offseason. But as long as we keep the core of young players and have a little luck with position players in the draft, we should be back on track (assuming they stay on the team once they arrive).
Guys like Luquette, Davis, and Koziol actually made it to campus but were dismissed for various reasons. Garrett was highly thought of but has been injured since he stepped foot on campus.
There will be attrition this offseason. But as long as we keep the core of young players and have a little luck with position players in the draft, we should be back on track (assuming they stay on the team once they arrive).
Posted on 5/31/11 at 12:55 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
I see a couple disturbing trends:
1.) Baseball basics...we cant do em, we cant bunt, we cant relay, we cant hit behind a runner.
2.) Player discipline, how many times was MM thrown out at third? I know of twice, you cant give the redlight to him ALL the time.
3.) Coaching decisions, we make some terrible base running coaching decisions, pitching changes are amazingly predictable and inefficient, and lastly strategy, I am not sure we have an identity. What are we trying to accomplish. It is like we shaking a magic eight ball.
I think we can correct all the problems, but PM needs to step up and take ownership. Quit blaming everything. If he does that the players will follow.
Start with basics, you have a great young pitching staff....get a real pitching coach.
1.) Baseball basics...we cant do em, we cant bunt, we cant relay, we cant hit behind a runner.
2.) Player discipline, how many times was MM thrown out at third? I know of twice, you cant give the redlight to him ALL the time.
3.) Coaching decisions, we make some terrible base running coaching decisions, pitching changes are amazingly predictable and inefficient, and lastly strategy, I am not sure we have an identity. What are we trying to accomplish. It is like we shaking a magic eight ball.
I think we can correct all the problems, but PM needs to step up and take ownership. Quit blaming everything. If he does that the players will follow.
Start with basics, you have a great young pitching staff....get a real pitching coach.
Posted on 5/31/11 at 12:58 pm to TigahRag
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yeah, that is my bone of contention with sanchez .. in addition to his moronic base coaching like sending runners home with one out and mahtook on deck, only to get thrown out ... but we have looked foolish up there this season .. and shame on CPM for waiting until the third week of the season to realize you had to bunt and move runners more often because of the bat .. then, started bunting too much at times .. our pitch count management at the plate was horrible this year .. we got into too many 0-2 and 1-2 holes and hit their pitch ..
This....
And the list could get bigger of simple baseball stuff that we just dont seem to have a grasp of.....
Posted on 5/31/11 at 12:58 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Aren't you a soccer expert?
Posted on 5/31/11 at 12:59 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
ULL has a solid recruiting class and yes, some of them are from that LLWS team. Acadiana, Lafayette, Teurlings, and St. Thomas Moore all had good prospects this year, so the Lafayette area was fruitful for ULL.
The ones to watch IMHO are the Barbe freshman class. I think three of them made All-District in a very tough district that had three of the top teams in all of 5A.
We will be fine with recruiting. LSU is an attractive place to play ball. We WILL see some competition from the likes of ULL, Ole Miss, etc.
The ones to watch IMHO are the Barbe freshman class. I think three of them made All-District in a very tough district that had three of the top teams in all of 5A.
We will be fine with recruiting. LSU is an attractive place to play ball. We WILL see some competition from the likes of ULL, Ole Miss, etc.
Posted on 5/31/11 at 1:01 pm to tigerfoot
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1.) Baseball basics...we cant do em, we cant bunt, we cant relay, we cant hit behind a runner.
I'd say we bunted a little too well
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2.) Player discipline, how many times was MM thrown out at third? I know of twice, you cant give the redlight to him ALL the time.
Greenlight, you mean? And I agree.
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3.) Coaching decisions, we make some terrible base running coaching decisions, pitching changes are amazingly predictable and inefficient, and lastly strategy, I am not sure we have an identity. What are we trying to accomplish. It is like we shaking a magic eight ball.
baserunning is a problem, but not sure about the rest of that statement
Posted on 5/31/11 at 1:02 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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I've heard (and I don't know how much truth there is to this at all) but ULL has a pretty special recruiting class. Said that a group of kids that have been playing ball together most of their lives were all going to college together and decided to make ULL their choice and that they made the recruiting class better than the one LSU had. Now I'm sure this is all a crock of shite and from a ULL homer, but it did come out of someones mouth..
It's our best class in a while if they all make it to campus. I don't know if it's better than LSU's class but it's an exciting class, just hope they produce.
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