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re: Question on Delayed Double Steal

Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:35 am to
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:35 am to
Yes it has. Watch the tape.
Posted by BeesWax
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:37 am to
A catcher usually can’t resist the opportunity to throw the runner out at second and trusts his arm. He also may peak to third and trust that they can get the ball back home before the runner makes it. The coach is exploiting the catcher’s belief in his own abilities.
This post was edited on 6/19/25 at 11:11 am
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:37 am to
Was one of skips favorite things to do.

Defense usually concedes that base. Throwing down is too risky.
Posted by FWBTigah
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:40 am to
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Yes it has. Watch the tape.


how many errors does he have?
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:41 am to
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That’s what most teams would have done but we were playing DVH
sone will. But one would expect a top college team to defend 1st and 3rd plays.

I liked the call. Sometimes stuff doesn’t work
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:46 am to
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catcher usually can’t resist the opportunity to throw the runner out at second and trusts his arm. He also may peak to third and trust that they can get the ball back home before the runner makes it. The coach is exploiting thr catcher’s belief in his own abilities.
first and third defense is decided long before the pitch is thrown. It isn’t at the catchers discretion.
Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:48 am to
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It seems that if executed properly, the team on base has a high chance of scoring. Knowing that, why even make the throw to 2nd? Wouldn't it be better to concede 2nd instead of giving up a run?

You are correct. Either way it's a good call if executed properly.
Posted by RobbBobb
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:49 am to
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He was trying to execute that EXACT play. Had he been trying to steal he would have been busting much harder and slid.

Except that Pearson never made a break for the plate, until AFTER Jake turned. He didnt break on the throw down to 2nd

In fact, he didnt even try to try to steal a few step in that direction
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:51 am to
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Except that Pearson never made a break for the plate, until AFTER Jake turned. He didnt break on the throw down to 2nd In fact, he didnt even try to try to steal a few step in that direction
I thought Pearson was a little late breaking home
Posted by lsugradman
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:51 am to
Pearson broke after the throw but he really didnt get a good jump off third at all.
Posted by Gumpsbleaux
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:53 am to
You can’t leave until the ball is past the pitcher in that spot. Some teams will have the pitcher cut that throw off to get the guy out at home in that spot. It’s the one rule of that play
Posted by RobbBobb
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:54 am to
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Pearson broke after the throw but he really didnt get a good jump off third at all.

He didnt

I just rewatched it

He broke when he saw Jake got into a jam
Posted by lsugradman
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:56 am to
I just rewatched it too and you are wrong.
Posted by Bedtiger
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:59 am to
Explain the shaky defense from Dickinson? He has been solid in the field, his bat is down, but still our best 2nd baseman. Only better second baseman is Milan and he is our best shortstop. CJJ has got it right.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:59 am to
You either get the free base if they don't throw, or score a run if they do and Brown doesn't slip. Either outcome is good for the offense, and a negative for the defense. 99% of the time you give up the out to get the run. Runner's job is to stay in a pickle long enough to get the run in.


Catcher made a hell of a throw, the groundskeeper's son made the right choice, and Brown slipped.
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:59 am to
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You can’t leave until the ball is past the pitcher in that spot. Some teams will have the pitcher cut that throw off to get the guy out at home in that spot. It’s the one rule of that play
and Pearson was a step short on his secondary and a touch late.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 9:01 am to
As the others are saying, Pearson blew the play
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 9:06 am to
He had 3 balls in the first two games hit right to him he didnt field cleanly. Balls were bit hard enough for him to still recover but that isnt clean D. Last night speaks for itself defensively. Errors dont always show up in the scorebook. Aloys play is not technically an error.
This post was edited on 6/19/25 at 9:08 am
Posted by RobbBobb
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 9:08 am to
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I just rewatched it too and you are wrong.

Lulz

The 2nd baseman already had the ball before Pearson took a step to the plate
Posted by Bring Da Wood
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Posted on 6/19/25 at 9:09 am to
I’m surprised they didn’t have a first and third play on there. Typically you have the SS come in front of second when Catcher throws to 2nd. That way you can make a quick throw home when the runner breaks from 3rd. Or you get the runner on 3rd hung up. Arky got lucky when Brown slipped.
This post was edited on 6/19/25 at 9:10 am
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