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re: Put LSU in Alabama's situation
Posted on 12/4/17 at 2:55 pm to TDlurker
Posted on 12/4/17 at 2:55 pm to TDlurker
quote:
(1) If LSU lost to A&M in the final game and was thereby knocked out of the SECW, there's not a snow-ball's chance in hell they'd make it. The selection committee would take UCF before LSU in that scenario.
(2) If LSU lost to A&M in the final game and was thereby knocked out of the SECW, I'm not sure I'd be arguing our case that much.
LSU lost to two unranked teams in 2007 and made the BCS game.
y'all need a new conspiracy theory
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Posted on 12/4/17 at 2:58 pm to Lester Earl
They won the conference...
Posted on 12/4/17 at 3:02 pm to Greace
they had 2 losses. That's worse than not winning your conference
Posted on 12/4/17 at 3:02 pm to LesnarF5
quote:no, they're saying conference championships are a factor to be considered, but not the only one.
The committee is saying by this decision that conference champions mean nothing which is absurd.
If Stanford had won the PAC-12 championship over USC, would you argue they should get into the playoff --- with 3 losses?
Posted on 12/4/17 at 3:12 pm to Lester Earl
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they had 2 losses. That's worse than not winning your conference
What other team that year should have gone? What did the computers say?
I'm guessing the people downvoting me aren't following the conversation
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 12/4/17 at 3:16 pm to GoldenBoy
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Put LSU in Alabama's situation
How many of your arguments would change?
Literally what I told my wife this morning when talking about this...
"You know...I'd be happy we got it if we hadn't won the west and were 11-1, but I'd be honest enough to admit that any system that allows that is broke as frick because no team that finishes third in their own conference before Championship Weekend deserves to be in a 4 team playoff."
Honestly, while OSU should be mad, the team that ought to be fricking furious is AU. They were the #2 team in the country prior to Saturday, and them having to play that extra game cost them they slot in the playoff to a team they had already beaten head to head who were sitting around eating wings and watching football games while their coach politicked for a slot his team hadn't earned on the field. BAMA benefited, once again, from sitting on their asses on SECCG Saturday.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 3:19 pm to GoldenBoy
Of course I’d be screaming for LSU.....cause I’m a homer with no perspective in situations like that.
Reality is, I think it’s ill-advised to reward Bama for sitting at home on championship Sat and waiting for someone to lose in an EXTRA game that Bama didn’t qualify to play in.
Reality is, I think it’s ill-advised to reward Bama for sitting at home on championship Sat and waiting for someone to lose in an EXTRA game that Bama didn’t qualify to play in.
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 12/4/17 at 3:24 pm to Lester Earl
everybody had two losses. that's the point dumbass. LSU didn't stand a snow-ball's chance in hell of getting in after losing their last game to have a record equal to everyone else. It was the fact that they won the division and the conference that got them in. Without it, they don't, and frankly didn't deserve it. But Alabama gets in twice with neither.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 3:28 pm to TDlurker
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But Alabama gets in twice with neither.
and what happened the first time?
the proved that the best teams should be in. That's it. That is all you need to know.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 3:30 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:the computers are programmed by humans, and humans determine what the computer spits out.
What did the computers say?
The computer formula was constantly being changed. One year, margin of victory mattered, the next year it didn't. And with only 12 games and 130 teams (with most games being within conference), it's just very hard to compare apples to apples.
That's why the eyeball test is used so much in football - there's no one metric or formula that works well.
It's different for March Madness - 30+ games schedule, 64+ teams get in the tournament, a lot of non-conference games give a better read on relative strength of different conferences, etc. Computer formulas like the RPI have more credibility.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 3:31 pm to Lester Earl
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the proved that the best teams should be in. That's it. That is all you need to know.
Except for the fact that LSU had already beaten them on their home field, and they won at a neutral site. They won the game that matters (which is all that matters in terms of the champion), but the results of the entire season don't say they are the better team that year. And they shouldn't have been in that game at all based on the comparing their season to OSUs.
And since you're so keen on precedent, what happened last year when tOSU got in on name only without winning their conference ?
Posted on 12/4/17 at 3:31 pm to atltiger6487
quote:
he computers are programmed by humans, and humans determine what the computer spits out.
The computer formula was constantly being changed. One year, margin of victory mattered, the next year it didn't. And with only 12 games and 130 teams (with most games being within conference), it's just very hard to compare apples to apples.
That's why the eyeball test is used so much in football - there's no one metric or formula that works well.
that's a whole lot of words to say that LSU should have been there
Posted on 12/4/17 at 3:34 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:actually I wasn't even responding to that question - I was just broadly responding to the computer ranking issue - for any team.
that's a whole lot of words to say that LSU should have been there
Posted on 12/4/17 at 3:34 pm to Lester Earl
Flawed as phuck. All I know is I'm gonna open a brand new bottle of whisky, smoke a cigar and route my arse off for Clemson!
Posted on 12/4/17 at 3:34 pm to Lester Earl
so your point is that Alabama deserves to get in under those circumstances, but LSU doesn't. Thanks for the homerism, and for proving my point.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 3:36 pm to LNCHBOX
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Except for the fact that LSU had already beaten them on their home field, and they won at a neutral site.
the fact that it was a rematch is irrelevant. You look at each team as two unnamed entities. They had the best teams. They played again.
quote:
And since you're so keen on precedent, what happened last year when tOSU got in on name only without winning their conference ?
i dont give a shite about precedent. Each year is different. The 4 best teams should play. Bama isn't going this year because of what happened in 2011. They are going because they are the most worthy team, again. Like they were in 2011
Posted on 12/4/17 at 3:37 pm to Lester Earl
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the fact that it was a rematch is irrelevant.
No it's not. They shouldn't have been given that opportunity, but since they are Bama, they were.
quote:
You look at each team as two unnamed entities. They had the best teams.
OSU had a better resume than Bama that year. You're using the result of the rematch to cloud your judgment.
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i dont give a shite about precedent.
Motherfricker, you just tried to use 2011 as justification for your position
Posted on 12/4/17 at 3:37 pm to TDlurker
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so your point is that Alabama deserves to get in under those circumstances, but LSU doesn't. Thanks for the homerism, and for proving my point.
i never said LSU didnt deserve to get in. Im saying there isn't some bias against LSU you nimrod. Because LSU was admitted to the game over several other 2 loss teams with similar resumes.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 3:39 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
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Playoffs became a thing because 2 sec teams were in the championship
THIS. We have the "playoffs" because of 2011 LSU/Bama.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 3:41 pm to Lester Earl
you just said, in this very thread, that LSU wasn't deserving in 2007 because they had 2 losses. You went further to say that this was worse than winning the conference.
LSU was admitted DESPITE having the same record as those other teams BECAUSE they won the conference. Without it, 2007 LSU doesn't deserve a chance.
LSU was admitted DESPITE having the same record as those other teams BECAUSE they won the conference. Without it, 2007 LSU doesn't deserve a chance.
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