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Posted on 12/4/17 at 6:32 pm to geauxjo
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Actually it proves that 2 fairly even teams will typically take turns beating each other. Now is Bama a fairly even team with the other 3? Yep. Does that automatically mean they should get in? No, because there are probably several other teams that also fit that definition.
Do you want the best teams in or not?
of course you do, unless its Bama!
Posted on 12/4/17 at 7:06 pm to GoldenBoy
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Would you say a 1 loss LSU should get in over a 2 loss Ohio State?
It's a moot point, because they wouldn't have chosen LSU if they had finished 2nd in their division. Only Alabama gets that benefit of the doubt.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:45 pm to GoldenBoy
I would be embarrassed to benefit from others playing in championship games and losing. I would never want LSU in the playoffs 11-1 due to a CCG loss by a team higher.
This sentiment will never change.
This sentiment will never change.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:50 pm to ShermanTxTiger
You wouldn't be pissed if a team with 2 losses got in over LSU with 1 loss?
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 12/4/17 at 9:01 pm to GoldenBoy
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You wouldn't be pissed if a team with 2 losses got in over LSU with 1 loss?
Nope...
Posted on 12/4/17 at 9:12 pm to ShermanTxTiger
That's pretty dumb.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 9:21 pm to schmoo
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A rising tide lifts all boats.
Tell this to Butch Jones, Mark Richt, Jim Mcilwaine, Kevin Sumlin, Les Miles and Hugh Freeze.
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 12/4/17 at 9:38 pm to GoldenBoy
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Put LSU in Alabama's situation
Either have conference championships or don't
Posted on 12/4/17 at 9:51 pm to GoldenBoy
There is a good chance UGA would have beaten Bama in the SEC championship game.
Where would Bama be then?
Bama didn’t qualify to play in that game so we will never know for sure. Why does Bama get the rewards of winning the SEC Championship game with out taking that risk?
Bama wouldn’t have gotten in the playoffs if they lost to UGA.
Bottom line Bama got an underserved first round bye into the playoffs.
The committee eliminated the regular season peril for one team.
Where would Bama be then?
Bama didn’t qualify to play in that game so we will never know for sure. Why does Bama get the rewards of winning the SEC Championship game with out taking that risk?
Bama wouldn’t have gotten in the playoffs if they lost to UGA.
Bottom line Bama got an underserved first round bye into the playoffs.
The committee eliminated the regular season peril for one team.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 9:53 pm to GoldenBoy
I would know deep down LSU deserved the spot over Ohio State and just out of fairness lobby for them to get it.
Losing by 31 to an unranked team should be completely disqualifying.
Losing by 31 to an unranked team should be completely disqualifying.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 9:57 pm to GoldenBoy
My argument has never really been about Bama getting in over OSU. Both have a strong case to be made.
My argument is that Wisconsin and Auburn got penalized for playing an extra game that Bama did not have to play. Prior to the conference championship games, both Auburn (having already beaten Bama and Georgia and damn near beating Clemson) was in it. Wisconsin was in it at #4. Now you could argue that perhaps Wisconsin wasn't that good because they played a weaker schedule. But to that I ask, Why were they ranked at #4 then? Why wasn't Bama ahead of them if Bama had played this extremely hard schedule they boast so much about playing (yet can't seem to find any statistical evidence to back that up).
They could have just as easily said Bama was 4 and Wisconsin was 5 prior to the conference championship games. It wouldn't have made any difference in who played in the championship games. They didn't. The put Wisconsin ahead of Bama thus saying that they believed Wisconsin could beat Bama.
The fact was, two teams got punished for playing an extra game, while one team did not get rewarded for winning an extra game all while Bama got rewarded for staying at home. And THAT is my issue with how this played out.
My argument is that Wisconsin and Auburn got penalized for playing an extra game that Bama did not have to play. Prior to the conference championship games, both Auburn (having already beaten Bama and Georgia and damn near beating Clemson) was in it. Wisconsin was in it at #4. Now you could argue that perhaps Wisconsin wasn't that good because they played a weaker schedule. But to that I ask, Why were they ranked at #4 then? Why wasn't Bama ahead of them if Bama had played this extremely hard schedule they boast so much about playing (yet can't seem to find any statistical evidence to back that up).
They could have just as easily said Bama was 4 and Wisconsin was 5 prior to the conference championship games. It wouldn't have made any difference in who played in the championship games. They didn't. The put Wisconsin ahead of Bama thus saying that they believed Wisconsin could beat Bama.
The fact was, two teams got punished for playing an extra game, while one team did not get rewarded for winning an extra game all while Bama got rewarded for staying at home. And THAT is my issue with how this played out.
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 12/4/17 at 10:22 pm to GoldenBoy
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Put LSU in Alabama's situation
I would bet you any amount of money that if LSU were in Bama's shoes we would be at the house watching the playoffs. They only put them in because they are Bama. Hell many "experts" believe they are the best team in the playoffs.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 10:30 pm to LNCHBOX
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Put LSU in Alabama's situation
In my wildest dreams
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I will never feel a non division winning team should compete for a national championship. Never.
You sir(or madam) are a liar or Egyptian Prince living on Denial
Posted on 12/4/17 at 10:51 pm to GoldenBoy
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How many of your arguments would change?
If LSU had one loss, I'd be pounding the table that they would get in over Ohio State with two losses, one of which was by 31 points.
It sucks that it's Bama, but let's be real here.
As much as I wanted to see Bama on the outs...there was a simple question for the committee.
If you were Clemson....who would you prefer to play...Bama or OSU. The swift answer is: OSU!!!!
Therefore, Bama deserves the shot.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 7:45 am to GoldenBoy
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If LSU had one loss, I'd be pounding the table that they would get in over Ohio State with two losses, one of which was by 31 points.
I very much appreciate your point. As the system stands, I can’t completely say it was an obviously erroneous decision. I simply think non-conference winners should be excluded or we go to an NFL system where each power conference is basically a division and only one team go—this presumes expanding to six or eight teams.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 7:57 am to Lithium
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You sir(or madam) are a liar or Egyptian Prince living on Denial
Why is it such a crazy notion that if you aren't the best in your division, you shouldn't be considered the best in the entire country?
Posted on 12/5/17 at 8:19 am to GoldenBoy
I don’t think LSU gets in ahead of OSU ...maybe a 25% chance. Bama’s reputation has to help them quite a bit.
I also think if OSU only loses to Iowa by 10 pts or less, they are in. I just don’t think the committee could wrap their brains around such an arse whoopin...and distracted them from the good wins they had...especially since they had 2 losses.
As much as I hate Bama, I would have put them at #4
I also think if OSU only loses to Iowa by 10 pts or less, they are in. I just don’t think the committee could wrap their brains around such an arse whoopin...and distracted them from the good wins they had...especially since they had 2 losses.
As much as I hate Bama, I would have put them at #4
Posted on 12/5/17 at 9:47 am to Lester Earl
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Do you want the best teams in or not? of course you do, unless its Bama!
Not gonna argue that I have a pro LSU bias and an anti Bama bias. True enough. But many have a pro Bama bias in that they will always give them the benefit of the doubt even if they don’t deserve it. This is one of the rare years that I think Bama is no better than a group of teams ranking about 4-8. IOW the next level after the top 3. If it’s the case, then Clemson will take care of business. If I’m wrong then Bama will make post season noise again.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 11:16 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Do you think LSU gets in under the same scenario?
I'm not saying they don't, I'm just wondering if you think it's the same result.
Here's the reality: everyone thinks that Bama is one of the 4 best teams. Including honest LSU fans. The goal of the committee is to get the 4 best teams in the CFP - that is the issue. It is not an issue of fairness. Did Bama deserve to get in? Not necessarily. Bama did not even win it's own division, much less it's conference. Auburn was punished for playing in the SECCG. If Auburn could have foregone the SECCG, they would be in the CFP playing OU in the Rose Bowl.
Another reality: Bama was getting in regardless of what happened the last 3 weeks of the season. If they beat Auburn and win the SECCG - they're in. If they beat Auburn and lose the SECCG, they're in. If they lose to Auburn and don't play in the SECCG game, they're in. In fact, Bama could have lost to MSU, beat Auburn, and lost the SECCG and it's highly likely they would've got in over OSU -- because OSU had 2 losses AND one of those was a 30-point loss to an unranked, bad team. And everyone thinks they are 1 of the 4 best teams in CF, rightfully so.
So the revision to the system needs to be (if everyone thinks it's unfair to put in who the committee thinks are the best teams) that you must be a conference champion first and foremost. IMO, Bama is a better team than Auburn, BUT THAT IS WHY YOU PLAY THE GAME! Why even play if the games don't really matter. Just go ahead (based on history and roster talent) skip the season, and name the playoff teams on Sept 1.
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