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re: Preston Guy charts LSU's defense vs Ole Miss

Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:12 am to
Posted by WDAIII
Member since Aug 2020
4205 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:12 am to
I think we all could have made that list just watching the game live. We all saw it
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
59132 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:13 am to
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Penn really really hurt us this past week
The Penn Speights combo is atrocious. Weeks and Penn sometimes put it together. But Speights and Penn are so damn slow.
Posted by mpwilging
Punta Gorda Isles, Florida
Member since Jan 2011
8845 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:13 am to
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Loafing: 13


This bothers me the most. No LSU player belongs in that uniform without giving 100% on every play.
Posted by LSUTIGERS8181
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2012
11101 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:14 am to
100% on coaching. BK is not that guy
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
13524 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:14 am to
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Bad pursuit angles: 4



Uhhhh….. no. There were bad angles on almost every play.



ETA: ok, i missed this part. Makes sense now
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I charted all plays of ten or more yards and touchdowns
This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 9:22 am
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
4980 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:17 am to
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The ends love to crash in and let guys get outside easily.


Contain has been an issue but contain isn't always on the defensive end. We could have a stunt called where he's supposed to cancel that inside gap. It could be a gap scheme run where the tackle he's over blocks down so he has to squeeze inside and spill the pullers. On certain plays it is 100% the ends fault but ends aren't supposed to just play contain.
This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 9:25 am
Posted by Tigertown2020
Member since Mar 2023
54 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:17 am to
The summary says that we have enough talent to be average on defense therefore the vast majority of the problem is coaching. Poor technique, poor alignment, poor tackling, loafing, scheme are all coaching when it happens on such a large scale. The other major problem is the safety position. they are all terrible. Sams, burns, and ryan all had 7 or more. The last line of defense is awful.
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
11551 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:18 am to
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Soft




Word jumps off your analysis.
Posted by PureBlood
The Motherland
Member since Oct 2021
4897 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:19 am to
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Of all the things listed, this one is most disturbing



agreed. Reminds me of the Pelini (round 2) days.
Posted by demtigers73
Coastal Club
Member since Aug 2014
5668 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:20 am to
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Outside Run contain: 3




quote:

Saivion Jones: 7
quote:

negative plays


Does not compute, this dude lost contain at least 10 times on a basic toss sweep!
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
59132 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:21 am to
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Lack of containment is a real issue. Same issue the 2013 defense had. The ends love to crash in and let guys get outside easily.


Nothing explains Jones doing it 10 times in a row. There is no way he should not have corrected it or been pulled. A freaking HS coach would pull em if it happened twice. How many times did we see Ole Miss expose him? 7 or 8. It was insane.
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
4946 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:29 am to
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I think he demands more. House is really striking me as lazy. Or maybe it is the crap staff on that side under him.

“What you see on film is what you allow in practice”
Posted by wesman21
Youngsville
Member since Jun 2009
3243 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:30 am to
We are slow and the guys don't play well off of each other. Therefore, we are easily exposed when the slightest mistake happens.

Saw the lack of speed vs Florida State big time.

Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:31 am to
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If this team just tackled well, that by itself wins the game for LSU, and it’s probably not a close game.



Wow
That’s a kick in the nuts
Posted by PoppaD
Texas
Member since Feb 2008
5260 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:32 am to
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Missed tackles: 14
Bad pursuit angles: 4
Loafing: 13
DL stance/alignment: stopped counting at 8.


This is crazy. The goal of all these players is to make it to the NFL. Well guess what guys, this is not how you get to the NFL.

I watched Caskey's Clicker on Jordy the other day. What is eye opening is that Kiffin and Ole Miss was not really doing anything exotic. Mostly they were running standard play concepts that these players have seen since high school ball. Dline guys in Pee Wee are taught that one player fills each hole and LSU isnt disciplined enough to do it.

The problem was tackling and loafing. And that's inexcusable for an SEC player to do.

Nobody needs this defense to be top ranked to win games. An average defense ranked in the top 50 is good enough to win championships when you have a great offense. It's ridiculous these dudes are loafing around and don't understand the basics of tackling. Caskey pointed out several low effort plays.

This post was edited on 10/5/23 at 9:38 am
Posted by burke985
UGANDA
Member since Aug 2011
26950 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:34 am to
The D is hot garbage every game will be a fight
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
8337 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:36 am to
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Loafing: 13


He undercounted by a mile. This team is soft and does not attack like great teams do.
Posted by Colonel Angus
Member since Aug 2007
1907 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 9:57 am to
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Loafing


Of all the things listed, this one is most disturbing


Yes because it points to a systemic problem within the leadership and administration (coaches). Something is not right internally.
Posted by misey94
Member since Jan 2007
29169 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 10:02 am to
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He undercounted by a mile. This team is soft and does not attack like great teams do.


Maintaining aggressiveness is one of the biggest challenges with a complex scheme where you run a lot of zone and that forces players to read and react. By nature, those things can make you more passive if you don’t know the scheme backwards, forwards, inside and out, and on top of that, really force the issue to play faster and still hit and tackle hard.

Last year, our more experienced defense and the transfers (who were mostly hits) picked up the scheme within a couple of weeks and we all saw the results. House started mixing in more zone blitzes and disguise looks and coverages. Other than UT, they were able to confuse QBs and make plays because of it.

This year, it is obvious that our players, especially the transfers, do NOT understand this scheme at all. Last year, we started seeing new zone blitzes, BJ drop into coverage exchanging with LBs, and disguising and shifting by week 3. We also saw them closing space faster and making more plays out of zone looks. This year we are over 5 weeks in and this scheme is about as vanilla as it can get, and that does not work playing zone coverage. We know that’s not what House likes to do, so it’s obvious he doesn’t trust the players.

Part of this may be that House tried rolling out more complex stuff in year two than he did last year. That’s pretty typical for coordinators, but if true, it was a huge mistake with this year’s defense with the secondary as new and iffy as it is. That may account for the fact that guys who were here’s last year and played better than this are now also struggling really badly.

None of this is any excuse for House. It’s his job to put a good defense on the field and if they can’t understand his scheme, then his scheme needs to change or go out the window. If the players can’t get it, then he has to change what he’s doing to at least get results that match the talent level of the defense.

House may have had good SEC defenses at UK, but he was also somewhere where he could expect to keep players for 4 years learning his system without a ton of turnover. He’s never going to have that anywhere in college football today with the portal and NIL, especially at a place like LSU. Even if he somehow pulls things back to get average results the rest of the way, he needs to head back to the NFL this offseason. His system was a difficult fit for college football’s practice limits before the portal. I don’t see how it can ever work consistently now.

Aggressive man with disgusing and wrinkles is the way to go in college football. Or you can go with Aranda if he is forced out at Baylor. He has that cerebral approach to the game, but can teach well and adapt to what he has much better than House can.
Posted by Datsmoneydude
Member since Jun 2021
2596 posts
Posted on 10/5/23 at 10:05 am to
Penn is not an SEC linebacker. Is what it is
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