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re: Play Florida on November 19th... Keep South Alabama home game
Posted on 10/8/16 at 9:03 pm to BayouBengals03
Posted on 10/8/16 at 9:03 pm to BayouBengals03
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Because demanding a Florida forfeit is completely unrealistic and childish, to be completely honest with you.
You know, I respect your opinion again, but now you are calling me out young man. So in the spirit of cooperation, let me restate my position as negotiator. Keep in mind, I do not have Aleva's information. I envisioning an arbitration session by 3rd party. This takes a little of the politics out of it. So here's my hypothetical.
Negotiation session: Members of the team, welcome to our session to come to an equitable closure to this unfortunate situation we find ourselves in. As arbitrator for this session, which all parties have agreed to my final decision, if we are unable to come to a joint resolution.
Then lay out the facts; TV contracts, conflicting schedules, impact on player safety, parties participation level prior to "failure to play" decision by FL. Gather input from all counter points.
Now, having input from all parties, I would ask for a 15-30 minute session to allow all 16 parties to come to an agreement. As arbitrator, you observe and control emotions, but do not lead the discussion toward a solution. Now, as an actual former "arbitrator", I can tell you right now just as I am typing this on the keyboard where it will end up.
As arbitrator I will summarize each parties case as best as possible, provide my considerations, and give you my conclusion.
"After carefully looking at all of the evidence provided in this arbitration meeting, there is but one finding I can faithfully stand with."
My finding is that the U of F failed in multiple veins to properly plan contingencies, given the overwhelming data indicating the game was in jeopardy. Sound logic would have provided a basis for a decision that either the game be moved or if FL taking the position thus stating early that it was unwilling to move game, would wait until Friday to make a final decision. LSU made a full-faith offer to accommodate UoF wishes, but were not afforded likewise courtesy.
Therefore, as arbiteur of this session, I can find only one irreconcilable conclusion. That conclusion is that U of F failed in their duty to meet the requirements to the SEC and LSU. Thus the UofF shall forfeit this game.
Is that still too childish? It took me 12 minutes to come up with this little nugget. Give it to a dammed 3rd party arbitrator. I can almost guarantee what the finding would be.
That is all.
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Posted on 10/8/16 at 9:03 pm to CheerWhine
yep more moving parts but its the easier way.
if the cocktail party is suppose to be the UGA home game this year then i guess you could move to athens.
UF really put alot of people in a pickle with their hissy fit this week.
I doubt USA or pres. will have an issue with moving the game. USA could probably get some more money from us/sec and pres. gets a game check without having to subject their players to an arse kicking.
the only party that will have an issue with 11/19 would be arky since it requires them to lose the chance to hit us after bama, and it will lose the weather advantage it as by playing us in nov in north arky.
if the cocktail party is suppose to be the UGA home game this year then i guess you could move to athens.
UF really put alot of people in a pickle with their hissy fit this week.
I doubt USA or pres. will have an issue with moving the game. USA could probably get some more money from us/sec and pres. gets a game check without having to subject their players to an arse kicking.
the only party that will have an issue with 11/19 would be arky since it requires them to lose the chance to hit us after bama, and it will lose the weather advantage it as by playing us in nov in north arky.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 9:03 pm to heartbreakTiger
Well from what Ive seen of Sankey this week, he won't force anything. He does not project any degree of strength as a leader. Our AD will have to fight this fight behind the scenes to get it to happen.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 9:04 pm to OvertheDwayneBowe
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This may be the most reasonable solution I've seen
This here.
You should apply for the SEC commish
Posted on 10/8/16 at 9:05 pm to I20goon
Actually forfeiture could happen. In fact, I could see a scenario where it would likely happen, and that's if the season was coming to a close and UForfeit could be shown to only be going to the SEC Championship by virtue of them not playing the LSU game. Public sentiment at that point would be overwhelming.
The thought that Arkansas would willingly help us in any way is laughable. Remember, none of these schools can be forced to change schedules according to all official comments this week. I don't want to rain on this enlightened parade of non-self-interested parties, but I just don't see Bret Bielema doing anything but laughing hysterically at this suggestion. And no AD will risk the heat if his Coach is not on board.
A forfeit is punishment for acting in bad faith and an acknowledgement that the other SEC members matter too. Of course so is a "Did Not Play", but that leaves tremendous risk and potential undermining of the SEC Championship game.
The thought that Arkansas would willingly help us in any way is laughable. Remember, none of these schools can be forced to change schedules according to all official comments this week. I don't want to rain on this enlightened parade of non-self-interested parties, but I just don't see Bret Bielema doing anything but laughing hysterically at this suggestion. And no AD will risk the heat if his Coach is not on board.
A forfeit is punishment for acting in bad faith and an acknowledgement that the other SEC members matter too. Of course so is a "Did Not Play", but that leaves tremendous risk and potential undermining of the SEC Championship game.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 9:07 pm to Lsupimp
a forfeit is not happening. its just not going to happen. The game will just not be played before we see a forfeit.
If it effects the sec race then sankey will be fired. the good news for sankey is UF sucks and they still have to play arky and UGA. Also even with us being good it isn't likely we run the table.
If it effects the sec race then sankey will be fired. the good news for sankey is UF sucks and they still have to play arky and UGA. Also even with us being good it isn't likely we run the table.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 9:09 pm to heartbreakTiger
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a forfeit is not happening. its just not going to happen. The game will just not be played before we see a forfeit.
Pretty much.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 9:09 pm to Lsupimp
LSUpimp,
Looks like us against the world.
Looks like us against the world.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 9:11 pm to larry289
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I envisioning an arbitration session by 3rd party.
I don't see why we would need to bring in an arbiter as a 4th party. LSU, FU and the SEC front office can solve this without a 4th party. No matter how you dress it up forfeiture is unrealistic. I would be happy with that result but that is not even an option on the table right now.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 9:13 pm to Starseed22
an outside arbiter would probably favor LSU.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 9:14 pm to Starseed22
Jeremy foley seems to be a very unreasonable person. I don't think he can be worked with on this.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 9:15 pm to BRtoATL
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I agree with your sentiment. A forfeiture is the most reasonable, fitting and deserved conclusion because Florida flat out AND unjustifiably refused to play
quote:
Yes, the solution posted by the OP does seem to be the most sensible
Sensitivity is not my concern in any of this discussion. This is as Bengals stated a CHARACTER issue, and I'd like to see a whooping helping of this from LSU.
PS: I am not a politically correct, nor sensitive person in such matters as these. The pricks already tried to inject public safety into this when they crawfished out and that was nothing more than providing something to anchor his position to (Foley).
As the general at the Battle of the Bulge said "NUTS" to Nazi cordial request to surrender.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 9:19 pm to heartbreakTiger
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an outside arbiter would probably favor LSU.
Well thats like your opinion man
In all seriousness if an arbiter would have to be brought in then what does that say about the leadership at the schools involved and the league office? That tells me there is incredibly ineffective leadership in place and it further broadcasts it to the rest of the CFB world. Alleva, Foley, and Sankey need to sit in an office with multiple whiteboards and telephones on Monday and hammer this thing out.
This post was edited on 10/8/16 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 10/8/16 at 9:19 pm to BayouBengals03
Besst scenario that Ive seen thus far and looking at history , as you said bye weeks before Bama haven't benefitted us at all and the one time we played WKU after Bama and La Tech after Bama, eventhough we slept walk for a while , we still won the games. Hopefully under Ogeron we wouldnt sleep walk. Usually get a tails handed to us when we play Arky after Bama. Really like the idea. Hopefully reasonable minds could do this.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 9:19 pm to Starseed22
quote:I can see some "nuclear" situations where forfeit might be used. Of course, it would take some monumental stupidity on UF's part to get there. If they agree to take ANY option then it goes away.
I don't see why we would need to bring in an arbiter as a 4th party. LSU, FU and the SEC front office can solve this without a 4th party. No matter how you dress it up forfeiture is unrealistic. I would be happy with that result but that is not even an option on the table right now.
With what we know (incomplete) if I was LSU I wouldn't agree to any binding arbitration (other than the SEC, to which I assume it is already bound), at least not at first. Our position is pretty strong now; considering what all the other teams did and the lack of damage there's the whole perception thing that would likely be in our favor. And if we aren't in a position where we are in the running for the W title, we do not have a need to play the UF game. Others do for their own reasons, but we don't. Why not use that.
quote:Brig Gen AC McAuliffe. That was random awesomeness at it's best. If he and Gen Yeager could have a love child he'd be the best life coach ever.
larry289
This post was edited on 10/8/16 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 10/8/16 at 9:22 pm to heartbreakTiger
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The game will just not be played before we see a forfeit
Well I agree with that. But a forfeit should be the goal. Just on a merit basis alone, it's been richly earned. They rebuffed every reasonable effort to play the game.We gave them seven documented options. They responded with "the game will be played in Gainesville. Period". They were intractable and unreasonable. That being the case, we should work towards making that happen and use it as leverage. Specifically in regards to the unreasonable suggestion that WE should somehow cancel a home game. That's lunacy.
A forfeit not only puts the whole issue to bed, it tucks UForfeit in the bed they made for themselves without creating multiple other victims. Once the other league members realize a forfeit is the result that doesn't require them to shuffle their entire schedules and disrupt their seasons, the more likely it is that they will get on board with a sense of urgency.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 9:28 pm to Starseed22
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Forfeiture will not happen no matter how hard you stomp your feet.
Oh sorry guys I don't actually expect a forfeit and demanding one now is silly, as far as with a national audience. But logically speaking, they unjustifiably refused to play. Just covering the bases of what's right and what's wrong.
Look at the monumental repercussions of their choice. Ethically it is downright dirty to cause such a disruption of dollars, potential lost revenues, restructuring of schedules, not the mention the burden on fans, hotels booked, etc when viable sensible and practical solutions abounded. The most obvious solution was to simply play the game, Sunday, Monday, somewhere and they were perfectly aware of this.
That's ignoring the potential controversy if the game doesn't get scheduled and the effect on the SEC race.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 9:33 pm to I20goon
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Brig Gen AC McAuliffe. That was random awesomeness at it's best. If he and Gen Yeager could have a love child he'd be the best life coach ever.
The closest we've seen in my lifetime was Norman Schwarzkopf. Dammed this country and this conference needs leadership in the worst dammed ways imaginable.
I respect everyone's opinion on this board and try not to sling anything, but this whole dammed thing is a matter of character by our university and the SEC. If we back off from this and let this roll over us, it's another notch on the rifle stock of pussification. We are in the right and don't have to be a bitch about it, just state the case from an affirmed positive position. We did our part and I want their university to pay the price of failure.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 9:36 pm to BRtoATL
Could not agree with you more. With the way Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday played out you can only conclude that FU, with the willing complicity of Sankey and the SEC, is either inept or that the result was intentional. Given Foley is a tenured, successful AD, I think the latter is the most likely.
Posted on 10/8/16 at 9:44 pm to heartbreakTiger
they aren't going to move everything back pending the small chance LSU runs the table/ UT needs us to play the game.
Then leave the SEC championship game where it is and only move it if/when it becomes clear it's an issue. I just don't see any reason we need to move on this unless it benefits us. And if as you say it's not likely it will matter, then why jump through all these hoops for nothing?
Then leave the SEC championship game where it is and only move it if/when it becomes clear it's an issue. I just don't see any reason we need to move on this unless it benefits us. And if as you say it's not likely it will matter, then why jump through all these hoops for nothing?
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