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re: Passing to win. Running to lose.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:We don't play them.
again, in the BCS era only 2 teams have won a title throwing fewer than 2500 yards as a team (UTk 1998 and OSU 2002)
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Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:33 am to USARMYDasher
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Why is it so much more important to take rushing yards and convert them to passing yards?
You must not have a lot of football knowledge if someone has to explain this to you.
You want to keep your opponent off-balance and guessing when your running your offensive game plan. It makes it hard for the defense to scheme and adjust to what you're doing when you mix it up.
So far, we haven't played anyone that has forced us to throw more. Our run game has been over powering and dominant. At some point, we may face a D that slows down LF. In that situation, we would need to throw some to move the chains.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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if we can't pick up that first rushing the ball we don't deserve to win
I know many on here will feel that way, but off the top of my head, I'm trying to remember the last one score game that LSU won by picking up the last first down before taking a knee? We all want to blame Chavis for it, but when did the offense, with all that wearing down we do of opponents, grind out that final drive?
2015 Miss St - nope, had to punt to Dak with about a minute left
2014 Texas A&M - nope, game ended with the no offsides call and the interception by the defense
2014 Bama - started last drive at the 6 yard line, rushed for 1 yard, got a penalty, then rushed twice for a total of -1 yards, kicked a fg
2014 Ole Miss - defense stopped Ole Miss on 4th and 1, LSU needed one first down to take a knee, 3 rushes 3 yards
Where is this "we wear the other team down and can maul em in the 4th quarter"?
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:40 am to rmnldr
We have a special, possibly once in a generation athlete at RB and a very good OL. If we weren't a run heavy team the coaches would certainly be classified as morons.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:40 am to Topwater Trout
I really like the way they have managed Harris this year. 25% of the season is over, he's been highly efficient,he won a big SEC game on the road, he has used his feet well, he's hit some beautiful passes, he's been efficient, he's had zero turnovers....
Best of all he's done it while clearly "being protected" by Miles . They haven't put too much pressure on his arm, they've allowed him to develop confidence, and get some on-the-job training. I think that's the proper approach with an inexperienced qb.
We all know that the Brandon Harris we are seeing now is completely different than the Brandon Harris we will be watching in November and in 2016. We all know the importance of balance to win that November slate. Call me crazy but I think this team and this staff understand that as well. I see Brandon winning a game or two with his arm.
This team can be special. I really don't want to spend Buga's remaining 15 months wearing the purple and gold complaining about Les Miles. Especially since it is out of my control.
Best of all he's done it while clearly "being protected" by Miles . They haven't put too much pressure on his arm, they've allowed him to develop confidence, and get some on-the-job training. I think that's the proper approach with an inexperienced qb.
We all know that the Brandon Harris we are seeing now is completely different than the Brandon Harris we will be watching in November and in 2016. We all know the importance of balance to win that November slate. Call me crazy but I think this team and this staff understand that as well. I see Brandon winning a game or two with his arm.
This team can be special. I really don't want to spend Buga's remaining 15 months wearing the purple and gold complaining about Les Miles. Especially since it is out of my control.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:41 am to Choupique19
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Where is this "we wear the other team down and can maul em in the 4th quarter"?
That was clearly the case in the Ole Miss game last year. That drive you pointed out was more of an outlier.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:41 am to RedTigerRulz
quote:The tshirt fan who says nothing but bad things about LSU and thinks you're supposed to open up the passing game when you're rushing 8ypc is lecturing people on being smart.
You must not have a lot of football knowledge if someone has to explain this to you.
Seriously, though, nice tshirt.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:44 am to ballscaster
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Seriously, though, nice tshirt.
Crawl back in your sewer yankee trash.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:50 am to c on z
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That was clearly the case in the Ole Miss game last year. That drive you pointed out was more of an outlier.
Without a doubt, the touchdown drive was a thing of beauty.
But when we needed one more first down after a great to finish them off after a great defensive stand, we got 3 yards. Once again, we left it up to the defense to stop a last minute drive from the other team.
The problem is that defensive coordinators have the last 7 years of game film to go by and then know that Les Miles will not throw the ball in that situation. They will basically send 10 guys after the run game and just pray that LSU doesn't throw it. I don't care who is blocking and who is running the ball, it's hard to beat 10 men defending the run.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:51 am to RedTigerRulz
quote:Will do. Crawl back into Wal-Mart for another tshirt.
Crawl back in your alma mater redneck trash.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:51 am to USARMYDasher
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First. I don't personally care about yardage, play calling, passing or running emphasis. I appreciate wins. Don't care if it comes the prettiest way or the ugliest. But seems to be a lot of.. Backseat coaching.
Through three games LSU is averaging 101 yards through the air and 315 yards on the ground per game. What do YOU individually think about if the stats were flipped? Would YOU be complaining that we weren't giving LF the ball enough even though we were apparently sailing bombs? Why is it so much more important to take rushing yards and convert them to passing yards?
Rushing plays have negative results such as TFL or no gains. Passing plays have incompletions. Both momentum and drive killers. Why is emphasis on type of yardage more important to you? I want YOUR opinion on the topic whether for or against.
I find it ODD that anytime someone says anything about the LSU offense everyone wants to turn around and throw out stats!!!
It's about balance, simply put......if wanting balance makes someone a "stat" freak (a "Madden Kid" as someone kindly stated), then so be it!!!
It's not about being a backseat coach either.....If you've ever play football then a "balanced" style of play should be fairly COMMON SENSE; but obviously "common sense" no longer exists in 2015!!!
I just hope I don't have to hit you guys with the dreadful "I told you so..." post.....As long as LSU keeps winning, all is well.....
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:53 am to Lsupimp
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Best of all he's done it while clearly "being protected" by Miles . They haven't put too much pressure on his arm, they've allowed him to develop confidence, and get some on-the-job training. I think that's the proper approach with an inexperienced qb.
maybe...some believe they develop faster if you give them more reps and take the training wheels off sooner...you do see how it can be argued both ways though right?
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We all know that the Brandon Harris we are seeing now is completely different than the Brandon Harris we will be watching in November and in 2016. We all know the importance of balance to win that November slate. Call me crazy but I think this team and this staff understand that as well. I see Brandon winning a game or two with his arm.
I agree
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:58 am to USARMYDasher
We punt way to many times
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:00 am to LildripDraws
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We punt way to many times
i said yesterday if there is one stat i want to see decreased it's punting attempts, ie, we are doing better at converting 1st downs
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:00 am to Topwater Trout
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you do see how it can be argued both ways though right?
Totally. That's all I'm doing. In my eyes Harris is damn near the prototype in terms of his skill set. He has the cannon and the wheels and he can make all the throws. He can make the opponent respect the edge and the long ball. He just needs game experience and maturity. My belief is that Les and Cam are easing him in. I think that is the right approach. Of course if November rolls around and he goes all "brook trout eyes" when he has to lead a come back drive with his arm, and seems completely overwhelmed, I'll have been proven wrong.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:01 am to Choupique19
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The problem is that defensive coordinators have the last 7 years of game film to go by and then know that Les Miles will not throw the ball in that situation.
most coaches don't throw in that situation
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:06 am to USARMYDasher
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I'm referring to the amount of posters on this board who are citing our lack of passing yards as a future downfall to this team and asking why it matters whether or not the yards come on the ground or through the air.
You are almost too stupid to insult.
Almost no one is saying lack of passing yards will be our downfall.
What people are saying is that we may very well play a team at some point that shuts down the run game. And it would be nice to have a well developed passing game that can overcome that and lead us to a win.
At this point, as good as Harris MAY be, there is no reason to trust that the passing game can all of sudden win a game when we desperately need it to come through.
The fact that that is lost on you is almost unbelievable.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:06 am to ballscaster
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Will do. Crawl back into Wal-Mart for another tshirt
your just jealous cuz I'm HERE going to the games and you're stuck in that yankee schit hole and can only watch on TV. dont hate!
Signed,
T-shirt grad
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:12 am to ballscaster
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We don't play them.
Tard logic again!
Posted on 9/28/15 at 11:14 am to LACountyTiger
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What people are saying is that we may very well play a team at some point that shuts down the run game. And it would be nice to have a well developed passing game that can overcome that and lead us to a win.
and that is happening
at one point against Syracuse, Harris threw on 1st down 3 straight times to 3 different receivers
but at the moment, until someone stops LF, I don't see how anyone can say we need to stop giving him the ball
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