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re: Passing to win. Running to lose.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 6:34 am to ballscaster
Posted on 9/28/15 at 6:34 am to ballscaster
I am sorry that I have but one lowly up vote to give. ^^^^^^^^^
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Posted on 9/28/15 at 6:57 am to TGFN57
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None of them know how to win a game
The longer I've been on this board the more I've realized just how many people here have never played a single down of football. It is so hard to win games at any level, but for Les Miles to have been this successful in the SEC and the national stage with people still complaining is mind boggling to me.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 7:12 am to USARMYDasher
I think LSU under the leadership of Miles, Cameron and Steele are right where they need to be. The programs grows stronger with greater potential each week. 
Posted on 9/28/15 at 7:14 am to USARMYDasher
HAY MILES IS BEHINT THE TIMES BAW
Posted on 9/28/15 at 7:23 am to USARMYDasher
Its not just about running or passing. Its about being balanced. Harris has a gun but LM doesnt let him use it. LF7 is a beast and when he has almost 200 yds in the first half, then that should REALLY open up the play action. Being one dimensional will only get you so far. What happens when LSU runs into the team that stacks the box and all the sudden LF is held to less than 100yds? Every team out there pretty much realizes LSU is not a passing threat.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 7:24 am to USARMYDasher
The OP's post is the exact misconception people on this board have. It's not that people like passing yards more than rushing. Good lord that's just stupid. It's that we run an extremely predictable offensive scheme and you better believe that better coaches with good personnel are going to slow down our running game. That may be Florida, Ole Miss, Bama, Georgia if we get there etc. There is likely going to be a game or two this year when we will need to pass the ball to win and right now we don't look capable of doing so. That is all.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 7:26 am to USARMYDasher
I think the fear regarding the lack of balance is that if a team like Alabama with a vicious front 7 is able to contain our running game we will need to be able to pass. In years past our passing game was much better by the time November rolled around so I am not worried just yet. We have seen improvement week by week. Florida will tell us a lot about our offense imo...
Posted on 9/28/15 at 7:31 am to jwill37
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It's that we run an extremely predictable offensive scheme
This year's offense hasn't been predictable at all. And you saying "I knew they were going to run the ball there, why didn't they pass it" after a given play, doesn't mean it's predictable.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 7:46 am to USARMYDasher
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Why is it so much more important to take rushing yards and convert them to passing yards?
While we haven't run into anyone that has stopped us yet, what happens when we do? Ole Miss, Bama, Georgia and anyone talented enough to make it to the final four are not going to let us just line up and run. There has to be a semblance of a passing game to make the opposing team respect it or it will be more of the same... line up and run into a stacked box for short gains (and loses). Of course our receivers dropping the ball isn't going to help the situation but if we get too one dimensional against a good team, it will cost us in the long run. Anyone that isn't concerned that our pass offense looked the way it did against the 115th ranked pass defense is just fooling themselves. Fournette is a specimen no doubt... but Harris is going to have to help out with his arm (and our receivers hang onto the ball) when we go against other elite teams. JMHO and
Posted on 9/28/15 at 8:05 am to rmnldr
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Running the football is LSU's identity so why go air raid?
why does everyone assume that developing a varied offense with passing automatically means "air raid" or throwing 50 times?
can anyone link me to a poster asking for LSU to go air raid in the past 14 months?
Posted on 9/28/15 at 8:09 am to USARMYDasher
imo, the answer is common sense. running teams win championships. BUT, they need a passing game to convert 3rd and longs to keep the drives going (other reasons too).
there is a segment of posters on here that obviously think PASSING YARDS is the most important stat there is even tho there is obvious proof available to counter that argument. these folks will not quit their whining until LSU adopts a pass happy, multiple receiver game that minimizes the run game. many teams do this and look really good. Baylor gave up over 50 points this wk-end and still won their game. this segment would have loved that kind of game.
why does this segment value passing yardage so much? my theory is that they grew up with video football and that's what they call exciting. kinda like winning baseball teams need excellent pitching some fans want teams that knock a lot of taters and score lots of runs.
theory over; it is a FACT that being able to run the ball and control the clock are instrumental in winning championships.
there is a segment of posters on here that obviously think PASSING YARDS is the most important stat there is even tho there is obvious proof available to counter that argument. these folks will not quit their whining until LSU adopts a pass happy, multiple receiver game that minimizes the run game. many teams do this and look really good. Baylor gave up over 50 points this wk-end and still won their game. this segment would have loved that kind of game.
why does this segment value passing yardage so much? my theory is that they grew up with video football and that's what they call exciting. kinda like winning baseball teams need excellent pitching some fans want teams that knock a lot of taters and score lots of runs.
theory over; it is a FACT that being able to run the ball and control the clock are instrumental in winning championships.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 8:11 am to TGFN57
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All of those idiots whining about passing yards are Madden jockeys or kids that believe it's "cooler" to sling the ball all over the place because running the ball is boring and old fashioned. None of them know how to win a game and would bitch if LSU won every game but didn't win the way they think is cool
again. who is asking for LSU to "sling it all over the place"?
i'd imagine the vast majority of posters saying we need to develop a passing game would be happy with a solid 150-200 yards per game (in an efficient manner, obviously). 175/game puts us under 2500 passing over 14 games, which would also have LSU tied for 107th in the nation (based on 2014 passing ypg rankings)
in the BCS era, do you know how many teams won a title without throwing for 2500 yards in a season?
Posted on 9/28/15 at 8:13 am to LSU GrandDad
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it is a FACT that being able to run the ball and control the clock are instrumental in winning championships.
it's also a FACT that a certain level of passing has been used by every title winning team in the modern era (and we're currently well under the pace of the least-passing team who won a title in the BCS era)
Posted on 9/28/15 at 8:32 am to USARMYDasher
Fournette is a rare athlete. He's a pro in a collegian's body.
Taking too many opportunities away from him, just for the sake of "balance," would be asinine.
He has proved he can carry the load.
Taking too many opportunities away from him, just for the sake of "balance," would be asinine.
He has proved he can carry the load.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 8:34 am to liquid rabbit
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Taking too many opportunities away from him, just for the sake of "balance," would be asinine.
this is another strawman-type argument. total offensive plays is not a zero sum game where we only have a mandated limit
a well-developed intermediate passing game will allow LSU to convert more 1st downs, which means more total plays, which means
1. more theoretical carries for LF
2. more rest for our not-deep defense
you know the phrase "you have to send money to make money"? think of it that way. we want to pass more to be able to run more
Posted on 9/28/15 at 8:39 am to USARMYDasher
I love waiting to see LF break one on any play he is in on. Passing is great and flashy, but the way LF is rolling, I wouldn't change it for the world.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 8:40 am to SlowFlowPro
I agree with you, SFP. I don't want us to end up like Wisconsin did last year. They rode Gordon to the B1G Title Game and he was completely neutralized. Not because he was tired, not because he sucked, but because Wisconsin didn't have a sophisticated enough passing game to help him.
I understand that Fournette is better than Gordon, but I think the comparison is appropriate.
I understand that Fournette is better than Gordon, but I think the comparison is appropriate.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 8:41 am to SlowFlowPro
Fournette is averaging 8.5 ypc
Think about that.
Think about that.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 8:44 am to liquid rabbit
i want to sustain more drives and get more plays so that he can get more carries at that rate
Posted on 9/28/15 at 8:44 am to SabiDojo
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I agree with you, SFP. I don't want us to end up like Wisconsin did last year. They rode Gordon to the B1G Title Game and he was completely neutralized. Not because he was tired, not because he sucked, but because Wisconsin didn't have a sophisticated enough passing game to help him.
Neither phase of the game (offense or defense) seemed to be effective for them.
This post was edited on 9/28/15 at 8:45 am
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