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re: Passing to win. Running to lose.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:03 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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a. Oregon is a rushing team b. nobody is asking for a spread passing game
I can agree that Oregon runs, but the majority of their yardage comes from the passing game. I wasn't advocating against or for the spread, just saying it isn't the foundation for a championship caliber team.
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LSU is not in the same stratosphere as those 2 offense in terms of passing the ball
No we aren't to their level of throwing the ball, but they arent to our level on running it!
1. LSU- Avg. 6.9 yds/carry- 10 TD (3 games)
2. Ohio State- Avg 5.9 yds/ carry- 8 TD (4 games)
3. Alabama- Avg 5.2 yds/ carry- 10 TD (4 games)
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Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:06 am to SlowFlowPro
He can't hear you Sloflo. He's convinced that whatever Les Miles does is perfect. I'm convinced that he didn't watch 1/9/12. I'm convinced that he didn't watch in 2012 when we lost at Florida ramming the ball into a brick wall. I'm convinced that he didn't watch 2012 against Alabama when we fell behind 14-3 and Les decided to allow Mettenberger to throw to Landry and Beckham... until we needed one more first down to secure victory and we slammed Ware into another brick wall three times and settled for a field goal attempt. I'm convinced he didn't watch last year when we attempted to run, run, run ourselves to victory but lost 5 times.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:06 am to ballscaster
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You want this to happen so bad.
I agree with him, and I certainly don't. We need more than play action to get it done (although that can be the starting point). But we absolutely need to get Harris, the WRs, and the OL in a rhythm with an intermediate passing game. The Syracuse game was a wasted game in this regard, especially in light of losing the McNeese warmup.
There will be a time when we can't do this strategy any longer. Alabama has the talent and depth in their Front 7 to get plenty of stops against our gameplan and mitigate our rushing attack wearing them down.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:07 am to USARMYDasher
Let's use The famous term
Passing to score and running to win.
One of the best offenses of all time in NFL used that approach. The Saints made it to the Super Bowl because they ran to win.
Passing to score and running to win.
One of the best offenses of all time in NFL used that approach. The Saints made it to the Super Bowl because they ran to win.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:09 am to SaturdayTraditions
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but the majority of their yardage comes from the passing game.
this is probably true for the vast majority of 1A teams
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I wasn't advocating against or for the spread, just saying it isn't the foundation for a championship caliber team.
i mean they've made a title game or 2 (losing one at the last second) and made the playoffs last year
UO has won as many titles as LSU post-2007, more conference titles (easier conference though), and made more BCS bowls. their offense/team isn't some chump shite that hasn't done anything. yeah i agree there are flaws in their offense, but there are flaws in LSU's offense too
further, we haven't won a national title with this style of offense, and no team has in the modern era of CFB
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:10 am to SlowFlowPro
Urban Meyer has won 3 national titles with the spread offense.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:11 am to Choupique19
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'm convinced that he didn't watch in 2012 when we lost at Florida ramming the ball into a brick wall.
There were far more issues in that game than running into a brick wall.
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until we needed one more first down to secure victory and we slammed Ware into another brick wall three times and settled for a field goal attempt.
You don't seem to remember what happened very well in that one, because that was not even close to what happened on the last 3 plays before the FG.
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I'm convinced he didn't watch last year when we attempted to run, run, run ourselves to victory but lost 5 times.
Well after the Auburn game it was the only way we could win, until being forced into something else.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:13 am to Choupique19
spread option? yeah
UT has 1
UF has 2 under meyer
Auburn won it in 2010
OSU won it last year
05, 06, 08, 10, 14
basically spread option teams and Bama have won 8/10 titles since 2005 (outliers 07 LSU and 13 FSU)
UT has 1
UF has 2 under meyer
Auburn won it in 2010
OSU won it last year
05, 06, 08, 10, 14
basically spread option teams and Bama have won 8/10 titles since 2005 (outliers 07 LSU and 13 FSU)
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:13 am to Choupique19
Easier just to admit some of these apologist know everything there is to know about football, we know nothing than to try and argue with them. They have been munching on unicorn shite for way too long. And of course be all means Les is the greatest and does no wrong. Nothing to see here, move along.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:16 am to SlowFlowPro
Just look at what Richt is doing. They have a freak stable of RBs comparable to ours and a great run blocking OL. They are using the ground game as the basis of their offense, but not necessarily at the expense of the passing game. Miles will never be the QB coach that Richt is, but we could at least try to go in that direction. 2011-2012 Bama is another example that comes to mind, notwithstanding the disparity between then McCarron and current Harris.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:16 am to Topwater Trout
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You do realize it isn't just posters on TD that say we need to be a more complete team to beat the teams we play down the road right? It has always been a knock on us that we have trouble moving the ball when Bama or a team like ole miss stop our run.
the 2 who down voted this post need to show themselves so we can all know who the dumbasses are on this board
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:18 am to Lou Pai
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Miles will never be the QB coach that Richt is, but we could at least try to go in that direction.
I never imagined that the day would come where someone would want Miles to be like Richt.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:21 am to Lou Pai
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Just look at what Richt is doing. They have a freak stable of RBs comparable to ours and a great run blocking OL. They are using the ground game as the basis of their offense, but not necessarily at the expense of the passing game. Miles will never be the QB coach that Richt is, but we could at least try to go in that direction. 2011-2012 Bama is another example that comes to mind, notwithstanding the disparity between then McCarron and current Harris.
for sure
that's why i am trying to make a point every time somebody makes a "texas tech" or "air raid" comment. it's a complete straw man
wanting a balanced, pro-style offense doesn't mean you chunk it 50 times/game like they are creating in their heads
no team in the BCS era has won a national title with the sort of offense that LSU is currently running. even the "bad passing" teams are almost doubling our ypg average throwing the ball. also let me note that in the BCS era we also have seen amazing RBs on great teams like clinton portis, mcgahee, adrian peterson, reggie bush, ingram, lacy, etc. LSU is not alone with our amazing, freakish RB in recent history
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:21 am to SlowFlowPro
Winningest programs since 2003...
1. Boise State 125
2. LSU 117
Considering what the difference in competition is, we are essentially #1. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
1. Boise State 125
2. LSU 117
Considering what the difference in competition is, we are essentially #1. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:22 am to c on z
Laying eggs or underperforming relative to talent as a team is one thing. Being a good offensive coach is another. No logical person would say Miles is on Richt's level in that area, and they have somewhat similar styles. Hell, he made DJ Shockley first-team All-SEC.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:22 am to c on z
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You don't seem to remember what happened very well in that one, because that was not even close to what happened on the last 3 plays before the FG.
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Ls 1-10 at Ls18 LSU drive start at 07:20.
Ls 1-10 at Ls18 LS ball on LS19.
Ls 1-10 at Ls19 Z. Mettenberger at QB for LSU.
Ls 1-10 at Ls19 Jeremy Hill rush for 4 yards to the LS23 (Johnson;Milliner).
Ls 2-6 at Ls23 Z. Mettenberger pass incomplete to Russell Shepard.
Ls 3-6 at Ls23 Z. Mettenberger pass complete to Jarvis Landry for 13 yards to the LS36, 1ST DOWN LS.
Ls 1-10 at Ls36 Spencer Ware rush for 2 yards to the LS38 (Stinson;Perry).
Ls 2-8 at Ls38 Michael Ford rush for 2 yards to the LS40 (Square;Johnson).
Ls 3-6 at Ls40 Z. Mettenberger pass complete to Jeremy Hill for 7 yards to the LS47, 1ST DOWN LS (Johnson).
Ls 1-10 at Ls47 Jeremy Hill rush for 4 yards to the UA49 (Ivory;Dickson).
Ls 2-6 at Ua49 PENALTY LS false start (Michael Ford) 5 yards to the LS46.
Ls 2-11 at Ls46 Z. Mettenberger pass complete to Odell Beckham for 22 yards to the UA32, 1ST DOWN LS, out-of-bounds.
Ls 1-10 at Ua32 J.C. Copeland rush for 3 yards to the UA29 (Ivory;Square).
Ls 2-7 at Ua29 Timeout Alabama, clock 02:34.
Ls 2-7 at Ua29 Jeremy Hill rush for loss of 3 yards to the UA32 (Williams, Je.;Belue).
Ls 3-10 at Ua32 Timeout Alabama, clock 02:28.
Ls 3-10 at Ua32 Jeremy Hill rush for 4 yards to the UA28 (Square).
Ls 4-6 at Ua28 Timeout LSU, clock 01:39.
Ls 4-6 at Ua28 Drew Alleman field goal attempt from 45 MISSED - wide left, spot at UA28, clock 01:34.
LSU was 3/4 passing on that drive picking up all three crucial first downs (not to mention Mett and company carving them up all second half). Now just needing one more first down before taking a knee....
check out the bolded section.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:23 am to Choupique19
if we can't pick up that first rushing the ball we don't deserve to win
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:24 am to USARMYDasher
I want QB efficiency. I want the chains to move so we can keep our defense in good position. I want lack of penalties. I want reasonable (as opposed to ideal) balance with pass/run ratio. I want domination at the line of scrimmage. I want to see my backs and receivers blocking.I want to utilize our once-in-a-lifetime-running back. I want low-turnover football.
So far I'm getting pretty much everything except for the penalties. I give this offense an A-, 25% into the season. I freaking love this team.
So far I'm getting pretty much everything except for the penalties. I give this offense an A-, 25% into the season. I freaking love this team.
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:25 am to rmnldr
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Physical run games executed at high levels with the option of using play action is the most difficult offense to stop
AGREED!!!
Posted on 9/28/15 at 10:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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wanting a balanced, pro-style offense doesn't mean you chunk it 50 times/game like they are creating in their heads
The CLM defenders always say wanting more balance is wanting a Texas Tech offense...they really are retarded.
If we were more of a threat and threw earlier in games to get leads we would probably end up rushing for more yards
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