re: Overturned "scoop and score" for OSU...what are the thoughts?

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. Still don't understand why it was overturned

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here is your answer

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he did not have "football move"

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The ball was contested the whole sequence - defenders arms were intertwines with receivers arms - "Possession: means you have established complete control of the ball -

Receiver could not run with the defenders arms intertwined as they were. The issue of possession was still in doubt when the ball became separated from the two contenders.

These kind of extraordinary instances are rare - and nobody should base their displeasure of the outcome of a game based on a "scoop and score" that resulted from some sort of unplanned and unreproducible chaos.

So you didn't get a lucky break that required a flawed call?? -== tough luck - EARN a break with your play, not praying for luck.

Incomplete pass.

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Look at it in full speed!

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The appeal to how it looked in "full speed" seemed awfully arbitrary to me. They use slow-mo all the time to sort out difficult calls made at "full speed," don't they?

I've come to dislike Ohio State. Ryan Day's unique brand of whiny smugness is off-putting, and their fans are the Big 10's counterpart to delusional Gumps. But I think they got robbed on that play.

You are exactly right Sir. The "rule" according to the announcers and the "expert" replay analyst was that receiver did not make a "football move." Total B.S. It was a fumble by any reasonable person watching the play -including the SEC official. The guy took 3 steps with the ball in his possession. I don't know if you are supposed to "tuck the ball" away so that may have had something to do with the call? I've seen where tOSU peeps think that the SEC officials screwed them all game but this was a replay call. The call on the field was a fumble. Definitely reminds me of the LSU vs AtM game in 2018. Now the targeting call was pretty obvious. I will say the refs blew that one but again replay slammed the defender on that one. Clemson lucked out all night. I've always said you have to be good to be lucky. Another classic example. We'll see how lucky they are on Jan. 13th. Geaux (LSU) Tigers!

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Still don't understand why it was overturned

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Replay officials are trained NOT to look at slow motion for catch/no catch reviews. Watch in real speed and you can argue he did not make a move after securing the catch. It’s a close decision but IMO both reviews in that game were correct.

Imagine if he had been next to the sideline, and only one foot got inbound.

That would have been a catch.

Ohio State got screwed

You cant look at it in slow motion. A football move is the same as tucking it away or taking steps or whatever you just have to show that you control it after the catch which I don't think he did, in full speed

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Now the targeting call was pretty obvious. I will say the refs blew that one but again replay slammed the defender on that one. Clemson lucked out all night. I've always said you have to be good to be lucky.

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After the infamous targeting review against LSU in 2018, the SEC refined the process for reviewing targeting. There are a number of “indicators” RO’s look for.

One of those indicators is lowering head and blindly tackling with crown of helmet. The SEC even defined the area on the helmet considered to be the crown.

Most people think targeting is meant to protect the offensive player. However in this situation the rule is meant to protect the defender. The thought is get the defenders to stop lowering their head looking at the ground while tackling, exposing the top of their head for big hits.

That review was textbook targeting under today’s rules

I'm not completely sure why it was overturned. But I do know that in some way I haven't figured out yet, it benefitted Alabama....

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Now I don't think it matters what the call on the field was here,

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except that the replay specifically states you HAVE TO take the original call into consideration.

if there is not clear and indisputable evidence to overturn it, the call on field stands.

and my looking at this thread, hearing the talking heads on TV, listening to national sports radio, etc. there is no way in hell you can say anything about that replay was “indisputable”.

it’s a close to 50/50 on opinion as to if it was a catch and fumble or incomplete.

by the written rules of replay for NCAA football, that means the call stands as called on the field.