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Posted on 10/13/20 at 2:39 am to ELchapoLSU
quote:Pumper upset. He crying.
Shut up, O brought us a Natty now y’all ready to set his arse on fire.
Don't say anything bad about Omnipotent god Orgeron. 
Posted on 10/13/20 at 3:15 am to Dennis4LSU
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No he shouldn't that's what comes with being the Head football coach.
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Dennis4LSU
What a fricking idiot. A coach who assemble the team that had "the greatest season ever", doesn't get leeway for underperforming the next year with massive personnel turn-over on the team and staff and dealing with a pandemic.......
He has earned some leeway, let's give him some rope and see whether he fixes it or hangs himself.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 3:17 am to shotho
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Exactly! Where is Woodward in all of this? He's the one who sold the barn to give Orgeron 7 million dollars a year and Pelini 2.3 million. Does anyone have any idea how much buyouts would cost? As Athletic Admin. money goes down the drain, is it even possible to think about buyouts at any time in the immediate future. I thought Woodward was supposed to be a wizard.
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shotho
frick no you are not buying out anybody right now. Let the season play out you bunch of whiney little bitches.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:01 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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What a fricking idiot. A coach who assemble the team that had "the greatest season ever",
He had minimal impact on assembling that team and you know it. Orgeron is the next Chiznick in waiting. Penthouse to outhouse in record time.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:19 am to siliconvalleytiger
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Not willing to even let him fix it.
he's been the HC of LSU to start 4 seasons. this "let him fix it" argument has been used to defend him in 2017, 2018, and now 2020
this is his team now. his full recruiting cycle. his coaching staff. no wonderkid QB falling in his lap. and NOW we have to rebuild and he has to fix another coaching hire failure? think about this in the bigger picture
and i mean, Canada may have had personality issues with Aranda, but his offense did things that Ensminger and others couldn't, at least. Bo P is the highest paid DC in CFB, right? and he installed and is scheming/calling the worst D in SEC history, possibly. with SUPER elite talent, at that. that's a monumental frickup of historic proportions
Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:22 am to phi1514
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Why wasn’t there more of a full court press/pressure from the AD and big money donors to do everything we could to retain Aranda and Brady?
Brady got an NFL OC job and Aranda got a BCS HC job
also, O clearly had issues with Aranda, so how would boosters have saved that relationship?
Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:25 am to Mithridates6
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Does he just get a pass to flush millions down the toilet?
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Yes, it worked with Canada
do you remember the 2018 offense?
that's WITH joe burrow at QB
Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:26 am to Gadzooks
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What I've seen is someone who has grown and developed and made the changes he needed to make when he needed to make them.
he needed to make them after last year. did he?
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Based on what I've seen, I expect more adjustments and changes until he gets it right.
what is the ratio of "O gets to get it right" to "LSU is an elite team" that's acceptable to you?
we're like 3:1 right now, and that 1 is largely due to a one in a lifetime QB opportunity that presented itself. we expect that once every 4 years now?
Posted on 10/13/20 at 6:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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this is his team now. his full recruiting cycle. his coaching staff. no wonderkid QB falling in his lap. and NOW we have to rebuild and he has to fix another coaching hire failure? think about this in the bigger picture
Yeah I go back and forth. I think he deserves leeway, but I also fear, more and more each week, that O is just a fraud who got lucky. And if that’s true, we’re stuck with him until 2026. Also Pelini. We don’t have the money to buy them out and I’m tired of hearing about it. Maybe we could afford to fire Linehan and/or E but that’s it.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 6:38 am to Mister Falcon
we did lose a lot. that was an excuse for week 1. it's not just that we have defensive issues. it's that we look completely lost on defense. we're on pace to be historically bad on defense (already have 1 historical record against what appears to be a bad offense with a QB who has already been benched)
O doesn't constantly get to "rebuild" the team. that was LITERALLY the excuse in 2017 and 2018. now it's the excuse in 2020
also, the coordinator hiring has to raise major questions
2017: Canada was a failure
2018: E was a failure of a hire (considering O could have hired almost any OC in the country) and mediocre in terms of quality on the field. i don't really want to bag on E, but when O is fully dependent on elite coordinators and you just fired the higher paid OC in the country after 1 year, an internal hire of a guy who hadn't run an offense in 10+ years was just bad, in terms of the process/decision
2019: Brady saved the E failure and made it OK
2020: Lineham is reversing the positive 2019 trend / BoP looks to be a historic failure (and insanely expensive)
how does this not concern people? or, to put it a better way, why do people have blind faith O has shown he will fix it (especially over the long term)? he hasn't really shown that ability while at LSU
*ETA: let me add that i'm not bagging on the offense. it looked iffy week 1 but we have improved. there are plenty of issues, and Marshall is basically in god mode saving our arse, but i'm not mad at the offense at this point. we will likely never get a QB like Burrow ever again at LSU, and we certainly won't have a 3rd year guy who was already developed by one of the GOAT coaches land in our laps again. our 2019 offense is like the 2011 defense, completely unfair to compare to any other year.
O doesn't constantly get to "rebuild" the team. that was LITERALLY the excuse in 2017 and 2018. now it's the excuse in 2020
also, the coordinator hiring has to raise major questions
2017: Canada was a failure
2018: E was a failure of a hire (considering O could have hired almost any OC in the country) and mediocre in terms of quality on the field. i don't really want to bag on E, but when O is fully dependent on elite coordinators and you just fired the higher paid OC in the country after 1 year, an internal hire of a guy who hadn't run an offense in 10+ years was just bad, in terms of the process/decision
2019: Brady saved the E failure and made it OK
2020: Lineham is reversing the positive 2019 trend / BoP looks to be a historic failure (and insanely expensive)
how does this not concern people? or, to put it a better way, why do people have blind faith O has shown he will fix it (especially over the long term)? he hasn't really shown that ability while at LSU
*ETA: let me add that i'm not bagging on the offense. it looked iffy week 1 but we have improved. there are plenty of issues, and Marshall is basically in god mode saving our arse, but i'm not mad at the offense at this point. we will likely never get a QB like Burrow ever again at LSU, and we certainly won't have a 3rd year guy who was already developed by one of the GOAT coaches land in our laps again. our 2019 offense is like the 2011 defense, completely unfair to compare to any other year.
This post was edited on 10/13/20 at 6:43 am
Posted on 10/13/20 at 7:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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O doesn't constantly get to "rebuild" the team. that was LITERALLY the excuse in 2017 and 2018. now it's the excuse in 2020
I feel like people are misremembering 2018. We won a NY6 bowl and finished in the top 10. If not for getting fricked repeatedly in the aTm game, that’s an 11 win season which is objectively above average for LSU even since the start of the Saban era. In the 20 years since Saban came to LSU, we finished with >10 wins 7 times. We finished better than #6 in the AP 5 times. The fact that 2018 is the year people point to as Orgeron’s history of failure is baffling to me. 2017, sure. But 2018?
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2020: Lineham is reversing the positive 2019 trend
On track for the second most productive offense in LSU history despite losing 8 starters. We need to get the running game going obviously, which is a huge part of our 3rd down issues IMO (getting into more manageable 3rd downs). This offense has to potential to be scary good if they keep getting better.
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how does this not concern people? or, to put it a better way, why do people have blind faith O has shown he will fix it (especially over the long term)? he hasn't really shown that ability while at LSU
I see top 5 recruiting classes in 2019, 2020, and so far in 2021. I see the best QB development at LSU since at least Matt Flynn.
I saw us lose to Troy in year 1, finish top 10 in year 2, and win a championship in year 3. I saw an offense that, despite the Canada hire, improved each year until now. And I see an offense that is still prolific this year despite losing 8 starters and Joe Brady.
I just don’t think Orgeron deserves the reputation he seems to have as someone who is too stubborn to recognize and fix a problem. I feel like he’s shown us the exact opposite. I don’t know, maybe I’m crazy.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 7:41 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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Let the season play out you bunch of whiney little bitches
with the current trajectory, it will damage the program severely. recruiting will take it hard in the nuts.
I am absolutely giving O a pass on this fricked up year with the personnel losses, COVID, etc., but not winning another game or only 1 more will be devastating.
Fact is, Bo is not the answer and should walk as soon as the season is over.
Curious. What games do you HONESTLY see LSU winning after witnessing the first 3?
Posted on 10/13/20 at 7:44 am to lostinbr
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I just don’t think Orgeron deserves the reputation he seems to have as someone who is too stubborn to recognize and fix a problem.
...naw. I think most people do see him as someone who will fix the issues. The Bo Pelini project just has people rattled. If it continues (it will), Bo will be shown the door.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 7:54 am to siliconvalleytiger
When you fielded arguably the best college football team in history last year, there is an expectation of at least maintaining some thread of that. Everyone was questioning QB play and receivers, but they have (IMO) surpassed expectations. The big problem is LSU not having any Defense. Even through the lean years LSU fans have always had the privilege of watching strong defense, the whole premise of the Chinese Bandits. Much like the Black Shirts of Nebraska it is a sense of pride that goes back over our lifetimes. Aggressive, smash-mouth football. We aren't seeing any of that. We went from prince to pauper in one season, wiping the taste of last year right out of our mouths.
That's why everyone is pissed.
That's why everyone is pissed.
This post was edited on 10/13/20 at 7:56 am
Posted on 10/13/20 at 8:07 am to siliconvalleytiger
Sick of the LSU Fan Base that is always so quick to get down on a team. And then after singing praises for Coach Orgeron last year and all he accomplished to trashing the man this year after 2 bad performances byvthe defense. Wow. Just wow. No one can be great ALL the time. This team is still young, lots of new starters especially defense playing a new defense.
Want to be mad? Get mad at all those underclassmen that left early for the draft that could have stayed and honored a scholarship and helped this team after a great season. But in this day and age its all about me. About the benjamins. I hope all of those players feel like shite for leaving early and seeing what happened to their team. That is who I am mad at.
I refuse to blame coaching or current players. Im standing by this team no matter what. So you bandwagon mother frickers can go cheer on someone else.
LSU Forever
Want to be mad? Get mad at all those underclassmen that left early for the draft that could have stayed and honored a scholarship and helped this team after a great season. But in this day and age its all about me. About the benjamins. I hope all of those players feel like shite for leaving early and seeing what happened to their team. That is who I am mad at.
I refuse to blame coaching or current players. Im standing by this team no matter what. So you bandwagon mother frickers can go cheer on someone else.
LSU Forever
Posted on 10/13/20 at 8:52 am to siliconvalleytiger
At this point, the rest of the season is all learning points from here, use every game as its practice,and hands on training, throw some of these young freshman in the fire as well, when certain players grasp it, leave em in and figure out a way to end this season on a good note, it's all around bad right now, The Oline needs improvement, and the defense, well its needs a lot more than improvement, but as a die hard fan just like most of us, let's just try to stay positive and be true fans and not recliner coaches, let the staff and kids work together without any of us throwing negative slurs toward them 24/7, all im hoping for is improvement the rest of the way and hopefully we can play spoiler in a few games, but I do believe we will fix some things and continue to struggle with some things, "until those are fixed as well" 
Posted on 10/13/20 at 8:55 am to siliconvalleytiger
Boy those fair weather fans are out now. They would have given coach a blow job 2 months ago
Posted on 10/13/20 at 8:59 am to tigerfan88
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Aranda, Brady, Joe, all three were either forced on O or fell in his lap.
This is where I lost you. O is the one who went out and got Brady and Joe. Aranda was already in place but he recognized his ability and kept him around. He could have severed ties just like Canada but he didn’t. Obviously this year isn’t going as planned but the sky isn’t falling. He’s shown to not keep people around that don’t work, see Canada and Sullivan.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 12:43 pm to siliconvalleytiger
He has to fix things. He has to be willing, because, honestly, who else is going to hire him? He will never be a head coach candidate again unless it is for a Nicholls State. If he has half a brain he will do whatever the frick he is told to do.
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