re: Orgeron was also asked if he felt his program was on the rise.

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Now we're aspiring to win 10 games. Under the last guy it was expected.

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I thought this want enough?

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included the 2016 season as a success for O as a head coach when he was interim HC. 

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I've found this a lot on the board in these discussions. I'm not calling out Ree spspecifically because I don't remember any specific instances where he said it.

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No matter what LSU had of done they would still be just as miserable as they are today.

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Can you explain where the whole "miserable" thing came from? I just don't get that one. I don't see where giving an opinion on the abilities of the head coach and miserable come together. Serious question by the way.

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Really true. Idiots on this board actually expected a first year head coach with a first year OC and playing over 30 freshmen with 12 having to start to win the national championship.

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Wrong.

I think even the O-Critics wanted the following to feel good, realistically:

10-12 wins, in the SECC hunt but knowing UA and AU would be tough competitors
Hiring an Aranda-level OC with an innovative offense, and letting him coach
Probably losing to Bama, maybe Auburn and/or Florida, but beating the rest
Guice being a Top 5-10 Back
Solid Bowl Showing
Top 10 recruiting class with the Surtain lock

That was a realistic "good" season that was indicated based on Miles being the problem. That would have been better than average and shown improvement, while not being unreachable. Instead:

9 wins
Hiring Canada who was either not a fit personally or philosophically or both, and wasting buyout money and time
Losing to Troy, MSU, and Bama
Guice having a subpar season, not used effectively
Poor Bowl Showing against a rather blah opponent
#14 Recruiting Class and losing on the biggest recruit we had to a division rival

We haven’t done any of that yet.

And having a great line is wonderful but Ws and Ls are all that matter.

We didn’t improve this year

Or recruiting didn’t improve

Let’s see if we actually improve next year.

Also which 12 freshmen started? I remeber

Charles, Ingram, carter on offense
Slept, Greedy, Taylor and Chaisson on defense

And I guess You can count 2 kickers and the punter but that’s still 10 including RS Freshmen. Who am I missing?

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You have included the 2016 season as a success for O as a head coach when he was interim HC.

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Find a post I have made in the last four months where I have said that. The one time I can think of that I briefly mentioned it was when telling someone that "College Football at Sports-Reference" does include his IHC record.

I have been saying for the longest that he is 10-4 overall at LSU.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/coaches/ed-orgeron-1.html

Career Record: 6 Years, 31-33,
2 Yrs LSU 15-6

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You also give him credit for hauling in the #7 ranked recruiting class for 2017. So, this means O is going into his "3rd" season as HC instead of his "2nd"....

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Wow !!! You do realize he had been the permanent head coach of LSU for 2 months and 10 days before the 2017 class signed on the dotted line? He had been the IHC for 2 months.

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Would you like to pick a stance or have it both ways?

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Would rather do neither if it's okay with you. I don't think I can take any more of your phony numbers or you practicing fuzzy math again.

Lol

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wanted the following to feel good

10-12 wins

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9 wins

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One win off what people wanted to feel good? Send him to the Taliban in Iraq !!!!

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in the SECC hunt but knowing UA and AU would be tough competitors

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9 wins

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LSU was in the SEC hunt late in the season. If MS St hadn't choked the Bama game, Bama would have had 2 SEC losses just like LSU. LSU also beat Auburn who did win the West by beating Alabama.

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Hiring an Aranda-level OC with an innovative offense

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Hiring Canada who was either not a fit personally or philosophically or both, and wasting buyout money

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Well, he still did what people wanted in order for them to feel good. It didn't work out, shite happens. A lot of people get fired or run off a lot quicker than Canada was.

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Guice being a Top 5-10 Back

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Guice having a subpar season, not used effectively

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You do realize he was injured right? He played very sparingly (8 carries) against Syracuse and didn't play in the Troy game.

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Solid Bowl Showing

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Poor Bowl Showing against a rather blah opponent

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Notre Dame is a blah opponent??? First time I have ever seen ANYONE say that. Who would you have wanted to play, somebody like Notre Dame ??? The only team I can think of I would have rather played would have been USC.

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Top 10 recruiting class with the Surtain lock

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#14 Recruiting Class and losing on the biggest recruit we had to a division rival

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I doubt the average "critic" or lunatic fringe as I like to call them - stole that from someone on the recruiting board - knew who Patrick Surtain was for more than maybe a couple weeks. If it wasn't for all the joy the "critics" were overcome by because of LSU losing him the majority still wouldn't know who he is.

The problem I have with this is that this was already a 9-10 win program.

It's not like Orgeron brought this program out of the depths of 4 win seasons. If he continues to win 9-10 games per season, we just as well have kept Miles.

We were also a play or 2 away from losing to Auburn Florida and freaking Syracuse. What an idiot